Need a good joystick with built in rudder please help

[Grind]

its only 37 euros, I'm gonna order one in the next days just to try it out.

It's not as good as my old worn out MS Sidewinder FF2 but its not bad for the price.  The only thing I don't like about it is the location of the throttle..... would of been nice if it were a dual throttle stick and had 2 more buttons on each side of the base.  I use a twisty stick cause using pedals causes my lower back to get sore....

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[Noir]

ok, I almost bought it but as I don't "need" it, I thought I could use the money on more important stuff 

[kilz]

ok, I almost bought it but as I don't "need" it, I thought I could use the money on more important stuff 

its a really good stick i have been using it for about 3-4 months now and nice. i did keep my CH throttle with it tho.

[Viper0070]

Kilz.........Thank you so much for your help in setting up my new joystick.  have a great week.....Viper

[kilz]

Kilz.........Thank you so much for your help in setting up my new joystick.  have a great week.....Viper

your very welcome check your PMs and mailbox for my bill