Poll: Do We have enough US,and German Planes?

[Nath-BDP]

Sure, approx 500 were built and they were stopgap before XIV was introduced.  XIV was made for same reason, to catch low level Jabo 190s intruding Brit airspace.

[juzz]

It was more like ~100 XII built. And they mainly did something other than chasing Jabo Fw 190's...

And the XIV wasn't built as a low-level fighter, it was best over 20k.

[StSanta]

Replicant, juzz, take a look at these numbers, from this tour:

The Bf 109G-10 has 5443 kills and has been killed 4514 times.
Popular plane, never contested this.

The Bf 109G-6 has 623 kills and has been killed 763 times.
Oh yes, a real alternative.

The Bf 109G-2 has 507 kills and has been killed 456 times.
Lots of G2's flown?

The Bf 109F-4 has 367 kills and has been killed 611 times.
Same as G2.

The 190's fare a little better:

The fw190A-5 has 1966 kills and has been killed 1609 times.

The Fw 190A-8 has 2282 kills and has been killed 1759 times.
Of these kills, roughly 1000 come from one squad; 9./JG54

I am a pragmatic person. I look at events, and then make comments. Insteaad of going for theory; I look for practise and if there are any differences, I say that the theory needs to be modified.

In theory, we have 7 models.

In practise, only 3, maybe 4, are practical alternatives.

It's like saying "oh, but you got xxx planes!" when 90% of them are obsolete and *very little used* because of it.

And LW and VVS STILL do not have a dedicated JABO.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[StSanta]

Oh, and I am all for perking the G10 too.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[-lazs-]

Well... for good or bad.. the U.S. made a lot of planes and fought on two totally different fronts with a huge carrier force.   Even planes like the P51 had varients that were totally different planes.   The A36/P51A is nothing at all like the later D for instance.  Just doing carrier planes gives the U.S. half a dozen extra planes.

I agree that the time period we are in restricts (as it should) plane choices to be modeled.   I would love to see an early war area in the arena map.
lazs

[brady]

  Lazs...who did they fight against,the enemies of the US and here allies had as many, if not more in some cases, different plane types at their disposial.We have one late war Japanese fighter their were at least 4 others I could mention right off the top of my head that were very competitive fighter planes,Ki-84,Ki-100,Ki-102,Ki-44.Also two of the Best of their ,type that  is carrier bombers, the Jill and the Grace are late war carrier planes. Itatly also has a number of good mounts for inclusion, the G55 would be very nice indeed as well as the SM 79... Il-2-more of this were produced than any other plane in history and it's Russian.

           Brady

[Karnak]

They could have easily done a Japanese Carrier, Cruiser, Destroyer and an Aichi B7A2 Ryusei "Grace" instead of the TBF Avenger, or some combination of these and their American equivalents.

Instead we're getting a straight American list.

Sisu
-Karnak

[juzz]

I agree that there only a few competitive LW rides, but it's still nice that all those variants are there, isn't it?

Russia could have La-5, LaGG-3, Yak-9D, etc - would they get flown?

Britain could have Spitfire II, LF.Vb, blah blah blah...

Fact is that they don't have many a/c, variants or otherwise, but the US and Germany do.

That's the point, not how many a/c are actually competitive in the "1944 MA".

[newguy]

You want RAF? We need the Hurricane for Chrisakes! Any serious WWII sim need to have that plane. True, it wouldnt get flown that much because of some of the other planes in the MA, but think of the scenarios!! Forget this uber crap; lets get the 110, Hurricane, Il-2, and other early planes that actually had an impact on the war! Personally I think the scenarios are what will keep this game alive, so we need planes that tookk place in them. Things like the Meteor are gonna be fun for a bit in the main, but how many scenarios you gonna get them in? Kinda like how we dont see the chog in many scenarios. Just my $.02 !

newwguy

[Weave]

   Newguy, I'll add my .02 cents to yours and we'll have .04 cents. However I think that a Hurricane and Bf 110 would be flown quite a bit.

  For my money, the Bf 110 was a better attack aircraft than many think. And here would be that jabo plane the luftwobbles have been crying for. The problems with the 110 arrive when people try to turn fight it.

...Weav

[Toad]

Yes, absolutely!

In addition to bringing in a totally new naval aspect in 1.05 HTC should be including AT LEAST 15 ALL NEW FLIGHT MODELS in this release.

30 days after that we have the RIGHT to expect another 25 all new aircraft and flight models.

After all, we're the PAYING CUSTOMERS and we DESERVE at least that much consideration.

I think those 6 people are just sitting on their rears and drinking beer in Grapevine. Man, they've had a WHOLE YEAR to model every aircraft that fought in WW2!

What's taking them so long???

[brady]

  Toad....ya that's it their a bunch a balldragers....all kidding aside I am in awww of what HTC has accomplished and am happy to be hear and will be hear a good long time I am shure.Being a big fan of WW2 history I just was kind of wondering if the decision to do so much US stuff was customer based.


        Brady

[newguy]

i dont recall saying that my ideas should be impleminted right away. But as major war contributors, I think they should be higher on the list than some of the late, late, never really saw much combat planes.

[Major Tom]

Only after all the US and German flying dweebs have every single version and every single modification ever done to every single aircraft both countries ever produced, can we concentrate on other things.  Like every single version and every single modification ever done to any German or US vehicle...

Then HTC can concentrate on British aircraft, Chinese biplanes, and the like.

Lets face it, P-51D's and B-17G's sell.  The B-24 was a much more important aircraft in WWII than the B-17 and was better in many respects.  The only problem with the B-24 is the wings folding in more easily with hits and it's lack of popularity compared to the B-17.  So we have a B-17.  More importantly we have a B-17G because it is far more recognizable than the F or E models.  It sells.  The P-51B/C/MustangIII, while being superior to the P-51D some respects...just isn't as "loved" by the masses like the D model.

If you “other” aircraft loving types want to get your aircraft in the simulation more quickly you should beg and plead for every single US and German aircraft to be put in the simulation.  That way when the day is done, HTC will have no reason why not to put a Hurricane IA, Oscar, Il-2, Russian Havoc, or Chinese Biplane in the game.

[brady]

   After reading Pyro's post on the "after 1.05" release period of increased aircraft production I am now aware that we may be able to get some planes for the deprived countries, Italy, Russia, Japan, England, Australia, France,.......

        Brady