multiple gunners in bombers

[Nemisis]

"Deathstars" were lots of fun in AW.  You could get 7 people (8 if you had a fly along) into 1 B-17 no formations back then.  Roll through a horde and shoot everything.  Some would just roll one out on the Runway and blast vulchers.. you could shoot while on the ground.  Problem was like anything else they were abused.  Not sure why they are not like that here.. but glad they are not.

How were they abused? I can see the top gunners in the game arranging to all pile into one B17, and then blasting the crap outa newbs, but thats about it. Speaking of which, why can't we shoot while on the ground? It woulda saved me several times.

[guncrasher]

"Deathstars" were lots of fun in AW.  You could get 7 people (8 if you had a fly along) into 1 B-17 no formations back then.  Roll through a horde and shoot everything.  Some would just roll one out on the Runway and blast vulchers.. you could shoot while on the ground.  Problem was like anything else they were abused.  Not sure why they are not like that here.. but glad they are not.

How would a fully loaded b17 be any different that lets, say the way we use the mossie, a20, 110's, those planes were not made to turn and loop the way its done in AH.  specially the 110, it was not allowed over England due to its inability to turn with any plane.  same with the diving lancs, b26's etc,  they could not release bombs in a dive.  the bombs were carried inside the fuselage if the release while diving they wouldda hit the pilot right in back of the head (ok just a little exaggeration), and yet dive bombing is done here all the time.

semp

[Nemisis]

How would a fully loaded b17 be any different that lets, say the way we use the mossie, a20, 110's, those planes were not made to turn and loop the way its done in AH.  specially the 110, it was not allowed over England due to its inability to turn with any plane.  same with the diving lancs, b26's etc,  they could not release bombs in a dive.  the bombs were carried inside the fuselage if the release while diving they wouldda hit the pilot right in back of the head (ok just a little exaggeration), and yet dive bombing is done here all the time.

semp

Well they probably could have been released at a gentle slope as long as you pulled up while or just after releasing.

[Karnak]

How would a fully loaded b17 be any different that lets, say the way we use the mossie, a20, 110's, those planes were not made to turn and loop the way its done in AH.  specially the 110, it was not allowed over England due to its inability to turn with any plane.  same with the diving lancs, b26's etc,  they could not release bombs in a dive.  the bombs were carried inside the fuselage if the release while diving they wouldda hit the pilot right in back of the head (ok just a little exaggeration), and yet dive bombing is done here all the time.

semp

You really need to do some studying before you make such claims.  Bf110s most definitely fought over the UK.  Mosquitos and Bf110s could easily loop, and did so.  The A-20 was forbidden from looping though, that is true as far as I have heard.  Lancasters were dived and looped at times however.

[Nemisis]

How were the deathstars abused?

[Spikes]

People would sit on the runway and fire at vulchers.

[Nemisis]

That doesn't sound very "abusive". It seems like an airbase would have machine guns posted around wherever there's a few feet of space.

[guncrasher]

You really need to do some studying before you make such claims.  Bf110s most definitely fought over the UK.  Mosquitos and Bf110s could easily loop, and did so.  The A-20 was forbidden from looping though, that is true as far as I have heard.  Lancasters were dived and looped at times however.

maybe you should re-read your notes, due to the ease at which 110's were shot down over england they were not allowed to go unless accompanies by heavy escort, which later in the war was consired a waste of resources.  lancs would not dive bomb because that would disrupt their formation, which was their main defense,  also they flew at night, with no lights, which made it even worst.  as for looping they had gunners, boxes of ammo, other crap and they would have been bouncing inside like a ball in a ping pong machine.  mossies were best at low level (and I mean tree top) light bombers but were no match for the fiters in dogfites, not saying they didnt shoot a few fiters, but their best defense was to hit and run like hell before anybody knew they were there.

People would sit on the runway and fire at vulchers.

this was changed in 97 i believe which same as in ah now, gunners could not fire untill the plane was up in the air.  before then I remember lots of times landing a b17 and end of runway and killing all uppers.  kindda of like we do with tanks here.

semp

semp

[Spikes]

this was changed in 97 i believe which same as in ah now, gunners could not fire untill the plane was up in the air.  before then I remember lots of times landing a b17 and end of runway and killing all uppers.  kindda of like we do with tanks here.

semp

semp

Yeah that's what I'm thinkin' of

[Nemisis]

 kindda of like we do with tanks here.

semp

IDK why, but I've never had any real problem with spawn campers. Oh sure, a few pings from an M8 or a wirb, but that it. I've had people try to spawn camp me, but I killed them when they should already have had the range which speaks poorly of them.

[Hap]

Multiple gunners in buffs, 

[B4Buster]

guncrasher, earlier on the 110s were escort to the bombers themselves.

[Wobbly]

guncrasher, I live in Dorset, UK south coast, and can assure you that 110s came over regularly to attack coastal positions, rail, ports and industry.

List of some that didnt make it back:

27-9-40      3378/S9+DK   Bf.110D-3      2Staffel-Epr/GR210   
                s/d and cr Busseys Stool Farm,Tarrant Gunville at 1200 hrs,
                 Pilot- Hptm Martin Lutz.2 killed
27-9-40      4270/S9-DU   Bf.110D-3      Epr/GR210    S/d and  forced landing at
                The Beeches ,Preston Hill Iwerne minster Pilot Fw Friedrich Ebner
27-9-40      3888/S9-JH   Bf.110D-3                 s/d by 504 Sq and cr at
                                Bradle Row,Kimmeridge.Pilot: Ltn Gerhard Schmidt + 1 killed.   
27-9-40      2248/S9+GK   Bf.110D-3      Epr/GR210   cr in sea off coast.
                                Obltn Wilhelm Rössiger + 1 missing         
27-9-40      3629/3U+IM   Bf.110C-7      4/ZG26.         s/d and cr at Salters Wood,
                                Middle Bere Fm,Arne by 609 and 152 Sq
                                Pilot: Obltn Arthur Niebuhr and one other killed
               
27-9-40      3290/3U-DS   Bf.110C-4      III/ZG26   Forced landing after combat,
                                1 mile SW Kimmeridge. Pilot - Uffz Fritz Schupp      
27-9-40      2168/3U+BD   Bf.110C-4      III/ZG26   s/d and cr in sea off Dorset coast.
                                2 missing.A/c identity unconfirmed. 2 killed
27-9-40      3297/3U+FT   Bf.110C-4      III/ZG26   Mid-air collision with X4107 Spitfire,
                                cr at Bellamy's Farm Piddletrenthide.
                                pilot Gefr Georg Jakstadt baled out and captured.
7-10-40            Bf.110              ZG26   shot down  by 609Sq and cr Owermoigne
7-10-40            Bf.110              ZG26   shot down by 609Sq,cr in sea  


http://daveg4otu.tripod.com/dorset/dorcrash.html

[usvi]

[Megalodon]

Actually, back in the AW days, with "DeathStars", it was lots of fun to fly a full plane.

Still, no.


wrongway

This was a blast not to mention the way u could throw the 17 around.