Jan 24 1944 - P-51B enters service? - Request for Apache!!!

[5PointOh]

At least get it right man! The RAF Mustang I had four .50s and four .30s. Two 30s in each wing with a .50 between them and two .50s in the nose.

Minor Typo...

Mustang Mk IA


Mustang Mk I


B/C Pony with A-36 Apache



I'd rather have 150 oct vs a cannoned pony...just me though.

[BnZs]

Why would it Karnak?

The Typhoon would be faster, turn comparably, and carry more ordnance. Your arguement does not hold water, if so the Typhoon would be wildly popular. The first version of one of the most prolific fighters USAAF is hardly insignificant. Planes like the Me-163, N1K or Ta-152 flew less sorties and had even less of an impact.

Its his wish, it fits every critera HTC has set forth, get over it. Just because you don't like it....

 

Strip

At typical MA altitudes the Typhoon is already faster and turns better than P-51Ds, the vast HOing incompetence showned by most Typhoon'ers not withstanding.

[Karnak]

It meets the criteria... it existed... flew enough sorties... actually WAS in the war...

Your scared Karnak. Thats all there is to it.  

You don't care about history or what actually mattered, you just want four 20mm cannons.

You would see a plane that was insignificant taking 10-20% of the kills each tour just to satisfy your lust for cannons.


Look, if it had actually been a significant part of WWII I'd be on the bandwagon with you.  You are talking about a plane that has a fraction the production of the N1K2-J and yet would overshadow the P-51s that actually did the work.  The 20mm armed P-51 would be very dominant in AH due to the low level nature of the game.

The only way to add that version without screwing the game over is to have it as a perk armament for the MG armed Allison powered P-51s.

[BnZs]

You don't care about history or what actually mattered, you just want four 20mm cannons.

You would see a plane that was insignificant taking 10-20% of the kills each tour just to satisfy your lust for cannons.

The plane in your avatar has 4 20mms in the nose.....

[Karnak]

The plane in your avatar has 4 20mms in the nose.....

And almost 3,000 built that saw very heavy use.....and vastly inferior performance.

[BnZs]

And almost 3,000 built that saw very heavy use.....and vastly inferior performance.

I'm not saying I want a 20mm 'Stang particularly...the A-36 sounds like the most intriguing variant IMHO...but I don't think this would bring anything to the game that the Typhoon doesn't already, and if it did, well that is what the perk system is for. It wouldn't even be like having a PonyB with 4 cannons, its performance would be significantly lower.

[Strip]

Closer in fact to a P-40E.....

[Chalenge]

You don't care about history or what actually mattered, you just want four 20mm cannons.

You would see a plane that was insignificant taking 10-20% of the kills each tour just to satisfy your lust for cannons.

No I think we would see a lot more of these planes die than you think obviously. This isnt about what I would fly and I dont think that would change much either way. If the A-36 comes in I will use it a lot but the problem with it is it cant take down even a single hangar so it will be a tank buster while the P-51 Apache would be a better escort for town killers in my way of thinking. The point is the way you see things from the way they were in WWII is not at all how things end up in the game. With a 400 mile range and 2x burn multiplier I think it wont go far either way but it would be able to fly when the ENY goes high.

[Strip]

Karnak,

You severely over estimate the impact of a four 20mm equipped Allison powered Mustang. The Mustang Ia would likely have a top speed of less than 375 mph at critical altitude. The SpitXVI, by comparison, has a top speed of a little over 405 mph.

Strip

[Karnak]

Karnak,

You severely over estimate the impact of a four 20mm equipped Allison powered Mustang. The Mustang Ia would likely have a top speed of less than 375 mph at critical altitude. The SpitXVI, by comparison, has a top speed of a little over 405 mph.

Strip

Top speed at critical altitude is meaningless in AH.  Most combat happens at 5000ft or under.

[Chalenge]

All critical altitude means is the maximum altitude at which the engine can still maintain full rated power which in this case is 11300 feet I believe. Pitiful by late war standards but even at that it was 5900 feet higher than the A-36 though the A-36 had more horsepower overall (1325 max takeoff and 1500 WEP versus 1120 max takeoff and 1220 BHP at 10500 ft) it lost it early in the climb. If the Mustang Ia had WEP I dont know what it would produce and I suspect it did not have much as maximum boost was 46" versus 44.5" max takeoff. Combat range being 400 miles (900 ferry range) with 180 gallons at a minimum fuel burn of 50 gph (best cruise) it will still have some pretty good legs but nothing special since it cant really be flown high alt.

[wsveum]

I just have one thing to say or maybe two. This is an arcade type game with no Historical significance except it uses WW2 equipment. All things I have read about WW2 I never read anything about a P51 shooting down a P38 or a 109 shooting down a Zero. So what is the big deal over the 51's. AH will add what they want and it has nothing to do with historical significance more then it will make this arcade type game more fun to pay and play. It has nothing of historical significance of the real WW2. It is a perk and point driven game not about history of the way it was in WW2. It is an ACRADE type game. So anything that was used in WW2 could be added in time if AH wants too. That is all. Have fun people!! 

[Noir]

he said arcade ! burn him !!!! 

[Guppy35]

I just have one thing to say or maybe two. This is an arcade type game with no Historical significance except it uses WW2 equipment. All things I have read about WW2 I never read anything about a P51 shooting down a P38 or a 109 shooting down a Zero. So what is the big deal over the 51's. AH will add what they want and it has nothing to do with historical significance more then it will make this arcade type game more fun to pay and play. It has nothing of historical significance of the real WW2. It is a perk and point driven game not about history of the way it was in WW2. It is an ACRADE type game. So anything that was used in WW2 could be added in time if AH wants too. That is all. Have fun people!! 
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With that logic then we might as well make this SWOTL and get rid of anything that isn't a 45-46 bird. 

[Squire]

Anyways...

Yes, to the Allison engined Mustang/P-51s (of any name), they would be good for FSOs as they were used as Recce and Fighter-Attack birds in NW Europe, Med, and Burma. Im also sure they would have some LWA fans as well as its a popular a/c.