Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps

[Yarbles]

I like base captures as they can lead to team work and the whole will we wont we grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat sometimes is very exciting.

Things People have against it

1) Can be boring especially when unopposed.
2) Can ruin a furball
3) People get put under pressure to help especially by armchair generals
4) So what

I propose smaller not larger maps as well as the existing set so base taking is more significant and wars end sooner or lead to larger more concentrated battles. Then taking bases, winning the war and furballing may become simultaneous. When one furball ends another will start emmediately as choice is more limited and one horde fights another  

[CAP1]

I like base captures as they can lead to team work and the whole will we wont we grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat sometimes is very exciting.

Things People have against it

1) Can be boring especially when unopposed.
2) Can ruin a furball
3) People get put under pressure to help especially by armchair generals
4) So what

I propose smaller not larger maps as well as the existing set so base taking is more significant and wars end sooner or lead to larger more concentrated battles. Then taking bases, winning the war and furballing may become simultaneous. When one furball ends another will start emmediately as choice is more limited and one horde fights another  

often times, an attempted base capture can alsop lead to a BIG furball too.

 you go in in gv's. they can't stop ya, so they up il2's b25, and whatever else is good at killing gv's. so now, you call for air cover. some come in in fighters, killing the gv killers. now the gv killers come up in fighters to kill the fighters that just killed the gv killers.
 now ya have a furball, and all the while, there's a gv battle raging below. 

[Yarbles]

now ya have a furball, and all the while, there's a gv battle raging below. 

WW1 and both sides fly scouts for inteligence gathering and spotting for the artillery. Scouts start shooting at eachother and fighters develop. Fighters go after other fighters etc but the Air war has never of itself been decisive.

Except in AH I Digress.

Remember smaller Maps less bases each more valuable as a consequence with winning the war never very far away, both sides upping loads of planes in atack and defece, furballs (Everyone is happy)

[batch]

small maps = 600 people jammed in a confined area

then you get the whiners that anything more than 200 on a small map is unacceptable...... then we get 2 more MA arenas that are capped so theres never more than 200 on a map

then you double the whining about caps

the full map rotation in blue and large map rotation in orange is the closest thing to reasonable coverage you could hope for....... if you want small maps try blue most of the time theres one in there

[usvi]

You now have the potential for NOE hordes of base sneakers to roll a map in a couple of hours.
Chances are that this tactic would rear its ugly head and have the opposite effect.
Rather than starting fights it would prevent them from happening.

[Raptor]

WW1 and both sides fly scouts for inteligence gathering and spotting for the artillery. Scouts start shooting at eachother and fighters develop. Fighters go after other fighters etc but the Air war has never of itself been decisive.

Except in AH I Digress.

Gulf War?

[OOZ662]

Could always make a small map and submit it. Though I'd ask HTC if the reason we have all big maps is because that's all that have been made or because they don't accept smaller ones.

[LLogann]

It wouldn't be bad to have Orange large and Blue small.... Or viceversa.

That way, everybody wins.

Code the map rotation to always go from large to small, small to large. 

[CAP1]

WW1 and both sides fly scouts for inteligence gathering and spotting for the artillery. Scouts start shooting at eachother and fighters develop. Fighters go after other fighters etc but the Air war has never of itself been decisive.

Except in AH I Digress.

Remember smaller Maps less bases each more valuable as a consequence with winning the war never very far away, both sides upping loads of planes in atack and defece, furballs (Everyone is happy)

not to jump off topic, i do have to disagree with the airwar........without us bombing the poop outta germany, i think the war would've gone on a lot longer....thus it was fairly decisive. 

 the other thing is...........just have fun the way you want(directed at everyone, not you), as long is it doesn't interfere with someone elses.
 if you like taking bases, there's plenty of peeps that love defending, then going on the offensive to try and take one or more.
 if you like furballing.....same......ther e's always a furball over the base battles. sometimes there can just be spontaneous furballs too.
 like picking/bnz? well......there's plenty of furballs to choose from.

 it's not that hard really to find fun in here, without greifing others. 

[Yarbles]

not to jump off topic, i do have to disagree with the airwar........without us bombing the poop outta germany, i think the war would've gone on a lot longer....thus it was fairly decisive.  

 the other thing is...........just have fun the way you want(directed at everyone, not you), as long is it doesn't interfere with someone elses.
 if you like taking bases, there's plenty of peeps that love defending, then going on the offensive to try and take one or more.
 if you like furballing.....same......ther e's always a furball over the base battles. sometimes there can just be spontaneous furballs too.
 like picking/bnz? well......there's plenty of furballs to choose from.

 it's not that hard really to find fun in here, without greifing others.  

Jury is still out on the bombing of Germany but synthetic oil was a big sucess I believe. btw I understand two thirds of german effort was always against the soviets so us brits and you yanks probably need to get over ourselves a bit    

Anyway if your fun is griefing others   not that mine is also war winning and base taking inevitably gets in the way of furballing soner or later thats why I am wodering if we can have all 3 simultaneously.

[MORAY37]

not to jump off topic, i do have to disagree with the airwar........without us bombing the poop outta germany, i think the war would've gone on a lot longer....thus it was fairly decisive.  

I disagree.  German war production rose steadily throughout the war.  It was still strong through February of 1945, only 2 odd months until VE day. It did not even begin to decline until allied troops began capturing strategic factories and railways.

Of course, strategic bombing had its' benefits.  But my disagreement is not with that.  The air campaign in WW2 was not decisive in winning the war.  Important, yes.  But, it did not even slow the accelerated german production, and didn't break the will of Germany's citizens in the defense of the homeland.

"Strategic bombing survey (Europe)" was a US Army report issued September 30, 1945. The major conclusion of the report was that strategic bombing, particularly the destruction of the oil industry and truck manufacturing had major impact on the success of the Allies in World War II.

However, despite the overall contribution of the bombing, the survey concluded that the impact of strategic bombing could not be separated from the general collapse of Germany in 1945.

In other words, not decisive.

[CAP1]

Jury is still out on the bombing of Germany but synthetic oil was a big sucess I believe. btw I understand two thirds of german effort was always against the soviets so us brits and you yanks probably need to get over ourselves a bit    

Anyway if your fun is griefing others   not that mine is also war winning and base taking inevitably gets in the way of furballing soner or later thats why I am wodering if we can have all 3 simultaneously.

we can have all three at once.

 my main fun is what generally gets my cartoon p38 broken. i like low fights. if i have to go high, i do, i just don't find it as much fun up there.
 if i can't find any air to air action, i'll go mess with a vbase or something(like i mentiojned in another thread).
 if i just don't feel like flying a fighter, i'll up a set of lancs....or if i REALLY wanna have some fun, then ju88's, and plan a path...then go see how many bases i can turn out the lights on, before i get shot down.
 sometimes i'll go tanking, just because. 

 if i'm not in the middle of something, and i'm asked to help with a base take, i will sometimes. they almost always generate at least a little of a fight.
 in it's own weird way........sneaking a c-47 into a base in the middle of a raging fight, and getting the capture, is serious fun too. 

 i just don't go out and try to grief others.....that's not fun at all.

[CAP1]

I disagree.  German war production rose steadily throughout the war.  It was still strong through February of 1945, only 2 odd months until VE day. It did not even begin to decline until allied troops began capturing strategic factories and railways.

Of course, strategic bombing had its' benefits.  But my disagreement is not with that.  The air campaign in WW2 was not decisive in winning the war.  Important, yes.  But, it did not even slow the accelerated german production, and didn't break the will of Germany's citizens in the defense of the homeland.

In other words, not decisive.

see.....i only say that i thought it was decisive, due to the fact that if the entire war could be replayed, with virtually no airwar, it very likely could've come out differently.
 i don't so much think that the allies hurt production.......but rather just kept messing up equipment....and wore down the morale.
 then there's the simple fact that if you cannot come out and fight without worrying about what;'s in the air above, you will not fight as effectively as you otherwise would.


i didn't mean to hijack this thread into this though............sorry guys.

[MORAY37]

see.....i only say that i thought it was decisive, due to the fact that if the entire war could be replayed, with virtually no airwar, it very likely could've come out differently.
 i don't so much think that the allies hurt production.......but rather just kept messing up equipment....and wore down the morale.
 then there's the simple fact that if you cannot come out and fight without worrying about what;'s in the air above, you will not fight as effectively as you otherwise would.


i didn't mean to hijack this thread into this though............sorry guys.

Your statement may be true Cap, but it does not make it "decisive".  The commissioned Army Air Corp report states exactly that.

[Steve]

small maps = 600 people jammed in a confined area

When is the last time we had anywhere near 600 people in an arena with a small map?

Small maps= nowhere for the timid to hide.