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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 11:36:27 AM »
When is the last time we had anywhere near 600 people in an arena with a small map?

Small maps= nowhere for the timid to hide.

some of us timid folk don't hide. we just play with our food till it kills us.  :D :noid
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2009, 11:44:31 AM »
Dont forget that the strategic bombing campaign had an added side effect.  It forced the Luftwaffe to come up and try to take down the bombers.  While in the early stages of the war, the bombers were getting their butts handed to them, once long range fighter escorts became available, that was reversed, and it was the Luftwaffe that was losing the most pilots and planes.  

And, with the allied fighters being given the freedom to chase down and destroy the German fighters while performing escort duty, the back of the Luftwaffe was broken... giving the allies complete air superiority and the ability to provide CAS anywhere, at anytime.  

So... while the impact of the bombing itself may be debated, the fact that the bombing missions were conducted led to string of events that had a huge impact on the outcome of the war.

And just so this isnt COMPLETELY off topic...  I think there is plenty of room for everyone on just about any kind of map to play how they want to.  Large and small maps have their place in the game, and each provide different opportunities and challenges.

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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2009, 12:56:32 PM »
When is the last time we had anywhere near 600 people in an arena with a small map?

Small maps= nowhere for the timid to hide.

when was the last time there was a small map in both arenas during primetime? that was the last time there was 600 on a small map
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2009, 12:58:24 PM »
the answer is simple,  bring back one late war MA!    :t
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2009, 01:08:32 PM »
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2009, 01:32:52 PM »
the answer is simple,  bring back one MA!    :t


just leave our mw arena alone.  :D
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2009, 01:34:00 PM »
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2009, 01:48:49 PM »
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2009, 01:59:40 PM »
<Pro choice.  Anti caps.  :uhoh

what did i do wrong? :noid
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2009, 02:52:50 PM »
i guess he hates all caps! Ltcap, captain1ma, etc, etc

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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2009, 02:57:49 PM »
well, with my gunnery lately, i think i'm gonna change my ingame to ltassist. :noid :rofl
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2009, 03:23:04 PM »
I disagree.  German war production rose steadily throughout the war.  It was still strong through February of 1945, only 2 odd months until VE day. It did not even begin to decline until allied troops began capturing strategic factories and railways.

Of course, strategic bombing had its' benefits.  But my disagreement is not with that.  The air campaign in WW2 was not decisive in winning the war.  Important, yes.  But, it did not even slow the accelerated german production, and didn't break the will of Germany's citizens in the defense of the homeland.

Point is that production would have increased vastly more without the bombing:

"At the end of January 1945 Albert Speer and his ministerial colleagues met in Berlin to sum up what bombing had done to production schedules for 1944.  They found that Germany had produced 35 per cent fewer tanks than planned, 31 per cent fewer aircraft and 42 per cent fewer lorries as a result of the bombing."

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"By 1944 one-third of all German artillery production consisted of anti-aircraft guns; the anti-aircraft effort absorbed 20 per cent of all ammunition produced, one-third of the output of the optical industry, and between half and two-thirds of the production of radar and signals equipment...The Bombing also ate into Germany's scarce manpower:  by 1944 an estimated two million Germans were engaged in anti-aircraft defence, in repairing shattered factories and in generally cleaning up the destruction."

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"The combined effects of direct destruction and the diversion of resources denied German forces approximately half their battle-front weapons and equipment in 1944.  It is difficult not to regard this margin as decisive."

From Overy, Richard, "Why the Allies Won," Norton, New York 1996, pages 130-131.

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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2009, 03:45:01 PM »
You now have the potential for NOE hordes of base sneakers to roll a map in a couple of hours.
Chances are that this tactic would rear its ugly head and have the opposite effect.
Rather than starting fights it would prevent them from happening.

On the contrary, it would be easier to spot the NOE "hordes".

They are pretty easy to spot now on the larger maps.

I think it would be alot harder to pull off a sneak attack on a smaller map.
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2009, 03:52:45 PM »
German production did rise..... about 50 feet off the ground with each blast.  :D
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2009, 03:59:49 PM »
what did i do wrong? :noid

 :lol unintentional

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