Flop

[MutleyBR]

I hadn't flown the Ki-84 for a looooooong time.

So, dcided to do a test ride. Took off for a sweep w/ 75% fuel + DT's.

Starting to climb I spot a low B-25 inbound. Released the tanks and dived.

At about 490 MPH, FLOP! Lost both ailerons... 

Had to RTB and land using only rudder...

Am not flying that plane again, unless I have no other choice(Special Events, etc) 


http://www.mediafire.com/file/n5lgqwmd3dl/KI-84 ailerons.ahf

Film best seen with external view and zoom.

Mutley

[Yeager]

slow down bro.

[Spikes]

Try a 61

[MutleyBR]

slow down bro.

I knew it was coming...

Just don't want to fly a plane with such limitations.

I can accept planes that compress and have to come out of a dive by use of elevator trim, but losing feathers in a dive is a little too much. 

Mutley

[Karnak]

I still don't understand why the Ki-84 seems to suffer quality of construction issues when no other aircraft does.

[68ZooM]

I've been playing with the k4 lately and ugh last night i was like a lawndart by my own fault ...  

[comet61]

At about 490 MPH, FLOP! Lost both ailerons...

I fly the Ki-84 a lot and never lost a part (except hits). On this plane...your rudder is your friend. On steep dives I will use hard rudder and some aileron to maintain speed until I level. I try to never go beyond 400. The Ki-84 is a good "in-between" fighter that to me, needs to be flown a little different than others. It seems every plane has their quirks and perks. The rudder on the Ki-84 responds quite well for many other moves, but it does make a good "air-brake" if coordinated properly with other controls. The 2 things that the Ki-84 reponds well to is throttle and rudder. Cut throttle on dives and use rudder/aileron to control speed.

[Saxman]

Trust me on this one, Mut: the Frank is a great plane. She about the only ship in the game I'm concerned about encountering in a Hog.

[klingan]

Try a 61

+1

[Anaxogoras]

Trust me on this one, Mut: the Frank is a great plane. She about the only ship in the game I'm concerned about encountering in a Hog.

Meh, that's only because you hog drivers love to drop flaps to out-turn aircraft you can also run down.  Although it is a little slower at low altitude, the Ki-84's butterfly flaps blunt this wunder-tactic completely.

On the other hand, if you're flying the F4U as more of an energy fighter, i.e. fast, the Spit XVI is a far greater threat than the Ki-84 because it doesn't lose elevator control at 300mph+, and unless you really yank the stick, it's not going to lose parts.

[Hap]

manual trim helps

[Saxman]

Meh, that's only because you hog drivers love to drop flaps to out-turn aircraft you can also run down.  Although it is a little slower at low altitude, the Ki-84's butterfly flaps blunt this wunder-tactic completely.

On the other hand, if you're flying the F4U as more of an energy fighter, i.e. fast, the Spit XVI is a far greater threat than the Ki-84 because it doesn't lose elevator control at 300mph+, and unless you really yank the stick, it's not going to lose parts.

Actually, I prefer to keep the Hog faster and only slow down when I have no other choice, so I stand by my statement. Even in a higher speed fight the only opponent that really concerns me is running into a good Ki-84 stick. Unless I'm in a -4, then I'm not bothered by anything (excluding the 262 and 163, which are unique cases in of themselves).

[Bino]

Dang, I thought this thread was about that cool dude from the WarBirds "Swamp Foxes" squad. 

[MORAY37]

I still don't understand why the Ki-84 seems to suffer quality of construction issues when no other aircraft does.

And it uses nerfed gas as well.  If it was modeled with the octane that the US set is modeled with (Or any other set, for that matter), the Ki84 would be faster than both the P51 and the P47, under 20K.

Post war tests put the top speed of the -84 at 427 mph@ 20K. We're not even close with ours, 50 mph slower at 388 @ 21K or so, by soda's page.

[Saxman]

And it uses nerfed gas as well.  If it was modeled with the octane that the US set is modeled with (Or any other set, for that matter), the Ki84 would be faster than both the P51 and the P47, under 20K.

Post war tests put the top speed of the -84 at 427 mph@ 20K. We're not even close with ours, 50 mph slower at 388 @ 21K or so, by soda's page.

That's because the Japanese didn't HAVE that sort of fuel. The Frank in the game is modeled based on the gas that they Japanese actually used, which is as it SHOULD be.