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Offline Birddogg

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co worker stealing
« on: September 24, 2009, 06:49:54 PM »
Hi,

I'm in a dilema and don't know what to do, I was hoping some of you more senior folk would be able to provide me with some advice.

Situation is this, I found out that my coworker is taking  bribes (certain percentage) from  businesses that we work with, in return he gives them the business.
I have no proof other then him telling me he's doing it (i can't understand why would he tell me.)


What should I do? Should I report him?

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 06:51:53 PM »
Blow the whistle if you can do it anonymously that something funny is going on, or if you don't want to go that route try to get some evidence on him.
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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 06:52:06 PM »
If you have no proof, it could be your word against his.  Tough situation there.  May I ask what kind of business?
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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 07:06:59 PM »
I believe the term is "Kickbacks"!!!  LOL, welcome to the real world, LOL!!!

I know about paying kickbacks to certain ppl for their customer referrals, I gave 10% of the net, on any deal that came from that person.... It's very common in the world...  Made FAR more money than I gave away!!!

If he is a "Buddy", and he told you this in confidence, "MAN LAW" says that you can't rat him out...

A goodguy won't partake of it himself, and would chide him when you find him doing it...

Sergeant Schultz: "I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing!!!" is the best bet!!!

I'd keep an eye on the guy tho, wouldn't trust him with the family jewels...

Could be a test as well?

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 07:11:42 PM »
if he's sicilian........keep your mouth shut.

if he's union...keep your mouth shut.

frankly......if all you have is him telling you this.....I rather doubt the story.  move on.

my guess is you're being tested.





Hi,

I'm in a dilema and don't know what to do, I was hoping some of you more senior folk would be able to provide me with some advice.

Situation is this, I found out that my coworker is taking  bribes (certain percentage) from  businesses that we work with, in return he gives them the business.
I have no proof other then him telling me he's doing it (i can't understand why would he tell me.)


What should I do? Should I report him?

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 07:11:54 PM »
Hi,

I'm in a dilema and don't know what to do, I was hoping some of you more senior folk would be able to provide me with some advice.

Situation is this, I found out that my coworker is taking  bribes (certain percentage) from  businesses that we work with, in return he gives them the business.
I have no proof other then him telling me he's doing it (i can't understand why would he tell me.)


What should I do? Should I report him?
:rofl are you kiddin me?! You getting paid ain't you?  :rofl If he's Italian keep your head down and your mouth shut. :aok


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Offline Birddogg

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 07:41:51 PM »
Hehe,

Ya, I'm getting paid by the company, NOT the dude. Dude, opened his mouth, but I didnt see him flex any money muscle. So i figure, why be exposed for nothing(I wouldnt accept even if he offered me money)

Btw...He's not italian / union, he's not even permament......What eats me alive is that i'm no snitch and dude doesnt seem such a bad person.... it feel so hard to do something like that, but I need to make a decision.

And if it is some kind of a test... pffft.. test for what, some internal investgation? Then it's must that I report.


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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 08:01:42 PM »
report only when you have proof and distance yourself from this person.Him not being permament and in the position to take bribes sounds real fishy to me. Good luck  :salute
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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 08:04:42 PM »
Ah, kickbacks are a common method of biz networking... Happens ALL the time!!!

Its not the same as destroying reciepts, and swiping the money in the till... Which is INTOLERABLE!!!

As far as the "Test" goes, ask yourself what he is trying to learn about your character?
Probably, he wants to know, if you have an independent mindset, or are just a mindless company lapdog...

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 08:20:12 PM »
Ah, kickbacks are a common method of biz networking... Happens ALL the time!!!

Its not the same as destroying reciepts, and swiping the money in the till... Which is INTOLERABLE!!!

As far as the "Test" goes, ask yourself what he is trying to learn about your character?
Probably, he wants to know, if you have an independent mindset, or are just a mindless company lapdog...

RC

Maybe so, but it's still a serious federal crime...

Issuing and accepting kickbacks are both serious crimes. The Anti-Kickback Act of 1986 prohibits government contractors and subcontractors from issuing or accepting kickbacks, as well as forcing an employee to kick back part of his or her compensation. Violators may face a $5000 fine and/or five years in prison.

The US Code's Title 18, section 874, focuses on public works employees. The law essentially states that whoever induces any person employed in the repair of any public building, for example, to give up any part of the compensation, the person doing the inducing (soliciting the kickback) shall be imprisoned for up to five years, fined, or both. Beyond building repair, the law applies to anyone employed in any work financed in whole or in part by loans or grants from the United States.

Title 12, section 2607 of the US Code explicitly prohibits kickbacks and unearned fees “incident to or a part of a real estate settlement service involving a federally related mortgage loan.” The law prohibits fees and kickbacks for referrals and the splitting of charges made or received for the rendering of a real estate settlement service (other than fees earned for services actually performed).

Prosecution of kickback crimes can come from many agencies, depending on the specific territory in which the crime takes place. The General Services Administration, the Department of Defense's Federal Procurement Fraud Unit, the Office of Inspector General, and Antitrust Division of the US Department of Justice are just a few federal examples. The Attorney General or the insurance commissioner of any state may also bring an action for violations of anti-kickback laws.

What you must remember as well is that by knowing about the crime, if you don't do anything (in your power that is, which, in this case, report it) to prevent/stop it, you're an accomplice...

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 08:23:21 PM »
Maybe so, but it's still a serious federal crime...

Issuing and accepting kickbacks are both serious crimes. The Anti-Kickback Act of 1986 prohibits government contractors and subcontractors from issuing or accepting kickbacks, as well as forcing an employee to kick back part of his or her compensation. Violators may face a $5000 fine and/or five years in prison.

The US Code's Title 18, section 874, focuses on public works employees. The law essentially states that whoever induces any person employed in the repair of any public building, for example, to give up any part of the compensation, the person doing the inducing (soliciting the kickback) shall be imprisoned for up to five years, fined, or both. Beyond building repair, the law applies to anyone employed in any work financed in whole or in part by loans or grants from the United States.

Title 12, section 2607 of the US Code explicitly prohibits kickbacks and unearned fees “incident to or a part of a real estate settlement service involving a federally related mortgage loan.” The law prohibits fees and kickbacks for referrals and the splitting of charges made or received for the rendering of a real estate settlement service (other than fees earned for services actually performed).

Prosecution of kickback crimes can come from many agencies, depending on the specific territory in which the crime takes place. The General Services Administration, the Department of Defense's Federal Procurement Fraud Unit, the Office of Inspector General, and Antitrust Division of the US Department of Justice are just a few federal examples. The Attorney General or the insurance commissioner of any state may also bring an action for violations of anti-kickback laws.

What you must remember as well is that by knowing about the crime, if you don't do anything (in your power that is, which, in this case, report it) to prevent/stop it, you're an accomplice...

Good luck...

Sure, and the corrupt love muffines that wrote those laws take the biggest kickbacks of all, LOL!!!
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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 08:25:40 PM »
Hehe,

Ya, I'm getting paid by the company, NOT the dude. Dude, opened his mouth, but I didnt see him flex any money muscle. So i figure, why be exposed for nothing(I wouldnt accept even if he offered me money)

Btw...He's not italian / union, he's not even permament......What eats me alive is that i'm no snitch and dude doesnt seem such a bad person.... it feel so hard to do something like that, but I need to make a decision.

And if it is some kind of a test... pffft.. test for what, some internal investgation? Then it's must that I report.






now THAT is critical info I was not aware of....... we just found the tell.......now that you have said he's a temp employee. ("not even permanent").

no doubt in my mind he's a company shill (spy) doing an internal audit because there IS some theft going on........in other words..........all systems go.........report it.  win/win........even if we're wrong here.......he's temp.  if we're right that he's a shill......and we are....trust me........you just may advance a little quicker up the pay scale with this company than most.

nothing else passes the smile test.  nobody would tell you if they are stealing........especially a cat who's temp...and on his way out the door soon with money.  

additionally..........if we're right.........and we are...and you do not report it......that will be reported to your company...thus making NOT reporting it a lose/lose.

auditing report:

disclosure made to employee # 234-w on 9-23...3:23 pm


go for it

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 08:31:03 PM »
If it's not effecting your income don't worry about it. 

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 08:37:02 PM »
If it's not effecting your income don't worry about it. 

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it will.......thus my above point.

this smells like an internal audit investigation.......

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Re: co worker stealing
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 08:54:53 PM »
Is it illegal?

Yes.

Talk to your supervisor.

If it's bidness as usual where you work, time to get resume up to speed and move on.
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