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Offline Jayhawk

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To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« on: September 24, 2009, 10:30:43 PM »
Hello all, I've got a general question to throw out there and was wondering you guys' opionion. 

I attended a seminar thing on becoming a pilot tonight at the local municipal airport.  It was put on by Cessna, an informative meeting that made process a lot less intimidating and now the biggest obstacle I see is money.  I could go through my universities "flight club" program and beginning to end it would cost about $5000-6000 to get a private license.  I am a student living on financial aide now but situations could change next year depending on how generous the government is.  I plan on getting a part time job (haven't been real eager to get a job lately since i spent the previous two years working 50-80 hour weeks Monday through Saturday) and that would supplement a few hundred a month.  I feel comfortable in my financial situation, meaning I know I can pay the bills and put food on the table, I've got money in an IRA and Stocks, money in savings, but don't want to touch that.

So as I ramble on my point is that I would likely have to finance the training.  As a college student who already faces thousands in debt, should I add on a few more thousand to get my license now or would you think it's better to hold off until I establish a stable income?  Second, for those of you that have a private license, is plane rentals worth it until a plane could be bought or is it just a big money trap?

I'd appreciate the input from you pilots and everyone else for that matter.  Thanks
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Re: To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 10:40:42 PM »
I don't consider renting the plane to be a money trap, in fact, I consider it a blessing. If I had to buy a Cessna I'm looking at about $10,000 to buy one used. Afterward I have to think about fuel and maintenance which is going to add a sizable amount to overall cost. When renting your aircraft from a flight school the fuel is typically covered. In all instances, maintenance will most definitely be covered. Therefore renting isn't such a bad deal.

As for financing flight training, I wouldn't do it. Sure, it might be a small amount, but you'll soon realize that once you get your certificate there are other ratings so juicy you probably can't resist. Then when you take the plunge you realize you've stacked on another $10,000 - $20,000 in debt. I would wait until you have a means of actually paying for it.
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Re: To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 10:44:31 PM »
First off there are a couple things to consider. Is this going to be the cheapest way for you to get the license and are you going to do anything with it, like make a living at it?

If the answer to the second issue is no then it's an optional thing and you have to rely on your debt management plan for after graduation to make the money decision.

As far as rentals go. Figure on renting for quite a while rather than getting your own bird. Insurance for a new pilot owner is rather steep and there isn't much competition any more after 9/11. The cost of ownership is more than the price of the plane. There are also tie down or storage (hanger / shadeport) costs, maintenance costs that will always be there even if you don't fly but once a month. Don't forget annual registration for the plane as well to the state and your physical.

If you are going to get a license you will have to maintain currency. That means renting a plane regularly so the FBO knows you fly enough to keep your skills up or they will start to require you to take check rides to satisfy their insurance carrier. If you drop currency then you'll end up having to get retrained and fly a certain number of hours to again get the FBO to rent you a plane. If you do rent you are a fool if you do not carry renters insurance too.

This may put the finances in a different light. If you figure you will have a good paying job after graduation and can get your debt cleared soon, you may think it's worthwhile. Only you know your financial situation.
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Re: To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 12:54:01 AM »
I appreciate the input guys.  Chances are I'll hold off until I'm bringing in a decent paycheck again.  For now I'll stick to Microsoft FSX to get my Cessna fix.
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Re: To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 01:12:25 AM »
For now I'll stick to Microsoft FSX to get my Cessna fix.

Do more than that!!! Treat yourself to a ride with an instructor every now and then.  You can log the time and it'll sooth the flying itch while you're waiting. 

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 01:24:31 AM »
Do more than that!!! Treat yourself to a ride with an instructor every now and then.  You can log the time and it'll sooth the flying itch while you're waiting. 

Oh yes, I'll be sure to do that too, thanks!
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Re: To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 02:28:22 AM »
...now the biggest obstacle I see is money.

I never attended a cessna-seminar, but I think they got the main point across :)
You didn't make it very clear (to me), so you want to fly cessna Mustangs for a living, or do you want to fly cessna 172s for fun?
If you don't want to make a job of it, it may be better to wait for the full comittment until you have a stable income. You know, a PPL stays expensive after you earned it because you have to use it. Maybe take an instructor ride every now and then, like already mentioned.


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Re: To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 02:45:25 AM »
I don't consider renting the plane to be a money trap, in fact, I consider it a blessing. If I had to buy a Cessna I'm looking at about $10,000 to buy one used. Afterward I have to think about fuel and maintenance which is going to add a sizable amount to overall cost. When renting your aircraft from a flight school the fuel is typically covered. In all instances, maintenance will most definitely be covered. Therefore renting isn't such a bad deal.

As for financing flight training, I wouldn't do it. Sure, it might be a small amount, but you'll soon realize that once you get your certificate there are other ratings so juicy you probably can't resist. Then when you take the plunge you realize you've stacked on another $10,000 - $20,000 in debt. I would wait until you have a means of actually paying for it.

It also depends on how often you plan on flying, and what kind of connections you have. There are only two things better than owning a plane: Having a friend who owns a plane, and sharing a plane with an A&P.

If you plan on flying very often, in the long run owning is cheaper. For example, operating costs on my aircraft have been calculated out (Covering fuel, routine maintenance and insurance) to cost $50-$100 an hour, depending on what the going fuel rate is, and the price of the current insurance contract (I did not negotiate the contract, nor did the other owner, but rather the man who runs the business we bought the aircraft for. Idiotic, I know, but not my choice). We will call it $75 an hour wet, give or take. I usually pay around $50 a month into the plane (We have a bank account set up that even the owners pay into to fly the plane, and this account is what we charge fuel, maintenance, insurance, etc. to) because we really don't ever have to pay for maintenance. I provide free labor to keep her flying, the other owner, an A&P provides services free, so all we ever have to pay for is any part that needs replacing, which (Other than tires that seem to blow every bloody frakking month) rarely ever happens. Whereas a Cessna Rental out her is closer to $150 an hour to rent, $75 if you're in Civil Air Patrol, 18 or older, and a mission pilot with a form 5. I'm not 18, so I don't qualify for that one. So, seeing as I fly at least 2+ hours a week (A nice circle island, or hop over to another island every Sunday) it is MUCH cheaper for me to own the aircraft. If you were planning on flying maybe once a month, or even less frequently, RENT.

As far as financing this, unless you plan to make a living as a commercial pilot, I would suggest not doing it. I have my license, and I will admit, I love it. It is the most amazing thing I have ever done. But the only reason I would ever have invested that kind of money is because 1) I intend to fly as a career. This is a career move. And 2) Because I got about $5,000 in scholarships over the years specifically for earning one's pilot's license. So I paid virtually nothing, and as I try to get into the military as a pilot, it is a major bonus. But if either of those factors were not there, I would not have done it. Flying is not a cheap hobby, and as they say, the best way to make a small fortune in aviation is to start with a large one. So unless you see this paying you back very soon, wait until you have better reason, and more funding. The girls you get flying are not worth the embarassment of not being able to McDonnald's after the flight ;)

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Re: To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2009, 02:54:37 PM »
Right now I don't put piloting as my main career path.  Could it be in the future? Very possibly.  But for now I'll likely work to finish college and get my degree.  From there I can decide when to start taking lessons.  That will leave open multiple options for me later in life.
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Re: To become a pilot or not to become a pilot.
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2009, 03:20:59 PM »
i didn't even read your whole post..will later.


do it. you will NEVER regret it. flying is the absolute most incredible feeling in the world.



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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2009, 04:15:55 PM »
I wanted to do the same thing, learn to fly and get my PPL.

After I thought about I realized a good engineering degree would go farther much easier. You can make money flying but usually it takes a few years of low pay jobs. A good college degree will net you 50K plus your first year out. Then you can go fly for fun and not have someone telling you your destination. I also found working around your passion everyday takes the thrill out of it. Worked on cars for a living and watched my racecar sit idle for months at at time.

Thoughts for someone who considered the same things....

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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2009, 04:30:34 PM »
I wanted to do the same thing, learn to fly and get my PPL.

After I thought about I realized a good engineering degree would go farther much easier. You can make money flying but usually it takes a few years of low pay jobs. A good college degree will net you 50K plus your first year out. Then you can go fly for fun and not have someone telling you your destination. I also found working around your passion everyday takes the thrill out of it. Worked on cars for a living and watched my racecar sit idle for months at at time.

Thoughts for someone who considered the same things....

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2009, 04:44:21 PM »
Really?

I went to college because I got laid off from a couple of those "manual" jobs. The first being a machinist and then went to work as a ASE certified tech.

Engineering and medical fields have shown steady growth even in the recession.

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2009, 06:21:22 PM »
i didn't even read your whole post..will later.


do it. you will NEVER regret it. flying is the absolute most incredible feeling in the world.



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I will do it, I love it and nothing is going to stop me from doing it.  But first I'll be smart and make sure I can afford it too.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2009, 09:50:16 PM »
so many things to be said... i too didnt read all of the posts...

few things...

*Where do you live?
*Where are you attending school? some colleges have deals for their students on getting their PPL. AND DO NOT LOOK AT JUST BIG COLLEGES, ALSO MAKE SURE TO LOOK AT COMMUNITY COLLEGES! my local community college is ranked 1 in the country in aviation, so you would be supprised what you would find at them. i get a 40% discount on rentals too because of their program and how its set up (im paying about $90 per hour wet for a piper Arrow). you might be able to find something like this too.
*where/who is your preferred local flight school?
*Where/who are more local flight schools?
*How often do you intend to fly? you can rent aircraft, buy, lease, co-owner or even get into a flying club.
*what do you want to fly? do you just want to fly VFR or do you want IFR, multi engine or only single, etc... i would suggest at least getting IFR if you live in an area where weather changes fast.

*do you ever want to fly commercially? now if you do, your going to be starting out making 13-20K a year flying your bellybutton off at a regional carrier if your in America. now im considering going to Europe and flying their because they start at about 50K a year (american dollars) so there is alot you need to look into.
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