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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #495 on: September 29, 2009, 05:55:20 PM »
actually, i believe all aircraft flex during all phases of flight? much like your car flexes as you drive it down the road?
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #496 on: September 29, 2009, 06:40:28 PM »
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #497 on: September 29, 2009, 07:59:35 PM »
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #498 on: September 29, 2009, 08:05:52 PM »
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #499 on: September 29, 2009, 08:11:11 PM »
Late to come into this - read the first 10 pages.

AKAK has got it right - 38 drivers kill in the simplest ways possible - nothing fancy b/c its not necessary.

I'm equally successful in the 38J and 47N. I like the J a bit more, simply because its got the best skins. I at times regret shooting other guys down b/c I want them to admire what skin i'm wearing. So, you get in close - and in this case below it was 2 snakes duking it out. In the end, all pilots are brothers.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #500 on: September 29, 2009, 09:18:58 PM »
Late to come into this - read the first 10 pages.

AKAK has got it right - 38 drivers kill in the simplest ways possible - nothing fancy b/c its not necessary.

I'm equally successful in the 38J and 47N. I like the J a bit more, simply because its got the best skins. I at times regret shooting other guys down b/c I want them to admire what skin i'm wearing. So, you get in close - and in this case below it was 2 snakes duking it out. In the end, all pilots are brothers.

Live well gents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6oWvAGmiCo

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I love that P-38 skin, from that front angle it looks like both snakes have a Cheshire's grin as you shoot up the 190.


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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #501 on: September 29, 2009, 09:21:03 PM »
sweet pic wolfalfa
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #502 on: September 29, 2009, 09:26:20 PM »
sweet pic wolfalfa

JUDGING by the empty seat, it looks like the run90 pile-it ran away. :D :noid
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #503 on: September 29, 2009, 09:28:36 PM »
Cap1 thanks for the taking the time, to film it, and describe it in such detail. I will watch later. I'm at work now.

Also i would like to clear up one big mis-understanding...

I do realize that the 38 departs later and possibly not at all if flown correctly. But I'm talking about chasing a P38 at nearly similar speed in level flight and he pulls vertical and I pull up after him. In the initial part of the manuever, well before the onset of stall for either plane, the P-38 seems to extend away as though it were losing speed slower. There are only two explanation for this (and please don't restart the incorrect energy discussion again).
1. I'm pulling harder than the 38 in the initial pitch up maneuver and bleeding off more speed than the 38
2. I'm mis-judging the distance I am behind the 38, and while I initially close the gap, I do not get close enough for kill before we enter the stall region where the 38 departs later and hence does extend away (or more correctly I fall away from the 38)  
3. P-38 are the Agent Smith of the Aces High Matrix.

I strongly suspect 1. and 2. are the real answers. But nagging at me is that so many in the MA seem to screw the pooch the same way I do when chasing 38 pilots. VonMessa had a theory the the size of 38 makes chasing pilots mis-judge there distance and speed, which combined with their better departure characteristics in the stall region provide the entire explanation.

I can learn a lot from watching it done correctly and incorrectly on film, instead of padding Lazerr's stats by figuring it out the hard way in the MA.  :D





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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #504 on: September 30, 2009, 12:05:26 AM »
Are you claiming that the Lockheed crew did not know that the fuselage (tail booms) on the P-38 were flexing, and deflecting during compression?

Thats not what I said at all and certainly not what I meant. I will make it clear though... Kelly Johnson and every other engineer in the world at that time thought that the speed of sound was a wall and there never would be a way past it.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #505 on: September 30, 2009, 01:08:47 AM »
Ahh...are we not paying attention to the little attention potato? 


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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #506 on: September 30, 2009, 01:28:05 AM »
It might help a lot of 'talented heroes' if they got off the computer chair and walked into the living room and told their mothers about their latest 'combat feat' and asked for a medal... because thats the only chance they got.  :D
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #507 on: September 30, 2009, 01:30:27 AM »
Ahhhhh....., AKAK thinks hes a good stick or something :t









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Is the little boy still upset he's not getting the attention he craves so much?  Maybe mommy will give you a hug and make it all better.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #508 on: September 30, 2009, 01:42:24 AM »
well.....the only thing that this has to do with this thread is that it's a p38. a special one though. it's Lefty Gardners White Lightning, before redbull got their hands on it.

 beautiful flying in a beautiful aircraft, by a super talented pilot.

http://p38whitelightnin.com/gallery/

the bottom of the page, there is two links. you can either download the video, or play it right from there.


watch and enjoy.  :aok

 :salute to Lefty
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #509 on: September 30, 2009, 04:57:52 AM »
/yawn

Is the little boy still upset he's not getting the attention he craves so much?  Maybe mommy will give you a hug and make it all better.

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