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Offline BnZs

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #600 on: January 27, 2010, 11:00:26 PM »
If they're hanging below you within guns range, you underestimated their energy state and not because they have some uber vertical properties.


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From 400mph and one the deck, every plane I've tested zooms between 6-7K before departing. Including P-38s.

Starting speed, rather than plane type or any performance metric, seems to be the dominant factor in zoom climbs.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #601 on: January 27, 2010, 11:13:45 PM »
From 400mph and one the deck, every plane I've tested zooms between 6-7K before departing. Including P-38s.

Starting speed, rather than plane type or any performance metric, seems to be the dominant factor in zoom climbs.

but again, i wasn't talking about doing a zoom climb.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #602 on: January 28, 2010, 11:08:15 AM »
but again, i wasn't talking about doing a zoom climb.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #603 on: February 06, 2010, 12:25:33 AM »
In a closely matched vertical fight that "hammerhead" can be all the difference in the world, and if perfected will matter immensley there-bye possibly making dual throttle control a GREAT advantage  IMO  :aok

True, but ... the ability to hang on it's props means the 38 doesn't actually have to do a proper hammer head to pull off the same naeuver. It can nose over either forwards or backwards in kind of a pancake flip manuever and accomplish the same thing without going sideways.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #604 on: February 06, 2010, 02:44:52 AM »
True, but ... the ability to hang on it's props means the 38 doesn't actually have to do a proper hammer head to pull off the same naeuver. It can nose over either forwards or backwards in kind of a pancake flip manuever and accomplish the same thing without going sideways.

But dual throttle work is so much more fun!
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #605 on: February 06, 2010, 01:00:09 PM »
I run dual throttles with my X52, (for twin engine planes of course) its seems to really bring it around alot faster in flat turns. just remember to throttle back up on the engine you cut back.  i just programmed the Slide on my throttle stick as my second throttle.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #606 on: February 06, 2010, 01:01:00 PM »
I run dual throttles with my X52, (for twin engine planes of course) its seems to really bring it around alot faster in flat turns. just remember to throttle back up on the engine you cut back.  i just programmed the Slide on my throttle stick as my second throttle.

I tried this a while back.  Too much work for me
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #607 on: February 06, 2010, 01:54:45 PM »
I run dual throttles with my X52, (for twin engine planes of course) its seems to really bring it around alot faster in flat turns. just remember to throttle back up on the engine you cut back.  i just programmed the Slide on my throttle stick as my second throttle.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #608 on: February 07, 2010, 08:59:11 PM »
I run dual throttles with my X52, (for twin engine planes of course) its seems to really bring it around alot faster in flat turns. just remember to throttle back up on the engine you cut back.  i just programmed the Slide on my throttle stick as my second throttle.

The notion that a dual throttle will allow you to turn tighter in a P-38 or any other dual engine plane is a myth.  The dual throttle will allow easy recovery in some types of spins and make hammerheads look all pretty but that's basically it.  It's great for the immersion factor and it will not be the reason why you won a fight but it can be the reason why you lost it.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #609 on: February 07, 2010, 11:13:55 PM »
I run dual throttles with my X52, (for twin engine planes of course) its seems to really bring it around alot faster in flat turns. just remember to throttle back up on the engine you cut back.  i just programmed the Slide on my throttle stick as my second throttle.

You should of attended my P38 clinic this past Saturday. It won't help you in a flat turn as the others have said.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #610 on: February 07, 2010, 11:38:38 PM »
You should of attended my P38 clinic this past Saturday. It won't help you in a flat turn as the others have said.

i wish i could've been.....but alas i was out clearing my driveway...and my neighbors, and the other neighbors...then i passed out.......
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #611 on: February 08, 2010, 10:17:48 PM »
I actually use a quad throttle, two for the visible engines and two for the invisible engines that allow the P-38 to climb directly vertically without consequence.  It wins me all the fights.

From what I can tell these engines simply appear depending on the number of throttles you have, I'll be ordering an octothrottle in the near future.  Watch out 262s :devil.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #612 on: February 08, 2010, 10:48:26 PM »
Cool i understand the dual throttle theory, good thought just not practical anyway, Delirium i remember that post on the clinic i think i even responded but my son had a HighSchool Bowling tourney that weekend and i was out of town, the 38 is something id really like to improve in, when flown right ( and Ive seen that) She's a beautiful lady.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #613 on: February 08, 2010, 11:05:54 PM »
I actually use a quad throttle, two for the visible engines and two for the invisible engines that allow the P-38 to climb directly vertically without consequence.  It wins me all the fights.

From what I can tell these engines simply appear depending on the number of throttles you have, I'll be ordering an octothrottle in the near future.  Watch out 262s :devil.

Dang, my sextuple throttle is obsolete already!
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #614 on: March 28, 2015, 05:29:46 AM »
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