Author Topic: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.  (Read 53773 times)

Offline bj229r

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #300 on: September 27, 2009, 11:03:59 AM »
The correct term is dive flaps, since that is what they were and not dive/air brakes.  The job of the dive flaps was to off-set compressibility during high speed dives  and not slow the plane down.  When deployed, it provided a nose up pitch  and any loss of energy from the use of dive flaps was a result of the nose pitching up and not the dive flaps themselves.  The drag they add isn't sufficient enough to provide any 'braking'.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #301 on: September 27, 2009, 12:50:58 PM »
for the most part, most WWII pilots that flew fighters never had the chance of 10,000+ hours of seat time to learn the complete in's and out's of their particular plane.......

Even if they did the planes in reality are not as durable as they are in this game. Dont fall into the trap of thinking that because it happens in a game it could in real life.

The Angels did fly the Bearcat at one time (1946-1949) and that show put jets to shame.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #302 on: September 27, 2009, 01:43:15 PM »
Even if they did the planes in reality are not as durable as they are in this game. Dont fall into the trap of thinking that because it happens in a game it could in real life.



I wouldn't say that applies to all of the planes. I've seen some pretty expensive and rare birds flown very hard.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #303 on: September 27, 2009, 03:38:52 PM »
I wouldn't say that applies to all of the planes. I've seen some pretty expensive and rare birds flown very hard.

thx SaVaGe for your post,  alot of us ( some of us )have seen and experienced the thrill of seeing some very brave and successful pilots push the envelope in some of these old warbirds in reallife......... I know it has made me a believer that things some of us have seen or can do in this game, can also be done in real life planes of/from WWII.....

to quantify, EVERYTHING done in game may not be possible, but a majority of what one sees as far as AC maneuvering pretty much can be done..outside of the fish flopping, stick stirring BS.....
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #304 on: September 27, 2009, 03:41:40 PM »
The Angels did fly the Bearcat at one time (1946-1949) and that show put jets to shame.

http://aerobaticteams.net/Blue_Angels_F8F_Bearcat.html

The Blue angels were formed beginning with only 3 Pilots  from WWII and they came out of their original home base of NAS Jacksonville and originally began with and flew the F6F-5 HellCat ( er might of been the F6f-3 have to go back and look at my Air Warrior Research )
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #305 on: September 27, 2009, 03:46:02 PM »
My Ki84 owns any of you P38 BBS queens :devil

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #306 on: September 28, 2009, 06:35:14 AM »
Mr. postcount is feeling ignored  :D
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #307 on: September 28, 2009, 07:03:09 AM »
The Blue angels were formed beginning with only 3 Pilots  from WWII and they came out of their original home base of NAS Jacksonville and originally began with and flew the F6F-5 HellCat ( er might of been the F6f-3 have to go back and look at my Air Warrior Research )

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #308 on: September 28, 2009, 07:44:02 AM »
ya.....i've taken shots that as i lined em up and fired, almost instantly, i thought  " o crap, i just lost this fight". this because i realized a little too late, that i gave up any advantage i had to get that quick shot.

patience is a virtue.

I'm 7 months in to this game and I'm just seeing this, pulling on the stick to hard losing E to take a shot and then becoming the hunted.  Got to love this game but it takes time to get good.  My personal opinion is that almost any plane flown right can take on about any other plane in the game.  You just half to know what your planes limits are and what it does well.  After that you need to know your opponent's weaknesses versus your strengths and work from there.  I've fought some good sticks in the 38 and I win some and lose some, it can be shot down like any other plane.  TnDep 
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #309 on: September 28, 2009, 07:49:58 AM »
I'm 7 months in to this game and I'm just seeing this, pulling on the stick to hard losing E to take a shot and then becoming the hunted.  Got to love this game but it takes time to get good.  My personal opinion is that almost any plane flown right can take on about any other plane in the game.  You just half to know what your planes limits are and what it does well.  After that you need to know your opponent's weaknesses versus your strengths and work from there.  I've fought some good sticks in the 38 and I win some and lose some, it can be shot down like any other plane.  TnDep 
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just had a fight me 38j vs ponyb last night. i had about 1-3k alt advantage, at which point speeds were about equal, but i had speed advantage when i came in to attack, allowing me to clear out of his guns range should i need.
 i thought i took a shot, held the turn(too long i might add), took it, and that was the end of the fight, as i should've been much more patient, and tried to wear him down.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #310 on: September 28, 2009, 11:53:47 AM »
The Blue angels were formed beginning with only 3 Pilots  from WWII and they came out of their original home base of NAS Jacksonville and originally began with and flew the F6F-5 HellCat ( er might of been the F6f-3 have to go back and look at my Air Warrior Research )

Have you ever seen a Hellcat up against an F8F? No comparison to be made lightly considering both are warbirds and are very cool either way but still... no comparison.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #311 on: September 28, 2009, 11:58:08 AM »
Was reading the number of kills for 38s. Going to check mine.


576 kills   :t
144 deaths  :eek: Told yall I die alot even if some are self inflicted.  :D

All but one in 38J.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #312 on: September 28, 2009, 12:12:19 PM »
Was reading the number of kills for 38s. Going to check mine.


576 kills   :t
144 deaths  :eek: Told yall I die alot even if some are self inflicted.  :D

All but one in 38J.

you flew something besides the 38 o doom????

i just looked at mine........

108 kills, 81 deaths.
78 in p38J, 12 in p38G, 2 in p39Q, and 3 in lancaster. the rest were all in gv's.  spent about 35 hours ingame this month so far.....and compared to what i've been able to do lately, that's a LOT of time ingame for me.  :D
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #313 on: September 28, 2009, 12:20:31 PM »
I agree with a poster which talked about any plane can take on any other plane, and it all depends on the pilot.

To prove this, I can give an example of getting my bellybutton handed to me by 8Spade flying a P40 out of all things while me in a 16. That was a shocker!!! I still remember this, that being around a year ago me thinks. I got away but was missing parts, after stall fight on the deck. Wish I had that filmed.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #314 on: September 28, 2009, 12:22:11 PM »
Was reading the number of kills for 38s. Going to check mine.


576 kills   :t
144 deaths  :eek: Told yall I die alot even if some are self inflicted.  :D

All but one in 38J.

Shows how little time I've had for flying this month

78 kills to 36 deaths in the 38G
3 kills to 1 death in the 38J

Doing my part to spread the 38 parts however :)
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