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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #435 on: September 29, 2009, 12:43:07 AM »
I'm thinking it's time for an emergency SAPP meeting with a vote to petition HTC for removal of the P38 from the game and all the SAPP pilots start flying Spitfire 16s.

I had no idea the 38 was such a problem!  Never stopped me from dying, in a cartoon sorta way, ever :)

can i fly a 9? i suck in the 16.  :noid :rofl
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #436 on: September 29, 2009, 01:18:48 AM »
not sure what answer you are looking for here?  only reason I posted about the F6f in the Blue Angels, is because I was refering that they started out with a WW2 Fighter plane. I do agree the Bearcat is a monster to a Hellcat sitting side by side.......I have no knowledge of the 2 different planes flying against each other though, or seen any flightsim where 2 people could simulate such an event......

Let me put it this way (having seen the Horsemen fly the Bearcat)...

A Hellcat and Bearcat take off at max power side by side and the rule is climb to 10k and land. When the Bearcat lands the hellcat is still climbing through 6k.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #437 on: September 29, 2009, 01:58:56 AM »
Phillips understands more about aerodynamics than just about anyone living today. None of what I have said or what he has written (except about Virdens death) are in disagreement with what you said or what the engineers said about the problem. You are just being argumentative because of what is going on between you and these other guys. Phillips isnt the only one to say this either as airspacemag reports the same thing.

Virden died because the spring loaded servo mechanism did its job too well and the load it put upon the tail broke the tail. So you could say (and you wouldnt be wrong) that his death was engineered but that sort of thing happens in war.

Johnson is not a god and engineers screw up sometimes.  :(



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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #438 on: September 29, 2009, 02:01:06 AM »
I'm thinking it's time for an emergency SAPP meeting with a vote to petition HTC for removal of the P38 from the game and all the SAPP pilots start flying Spitfire 16s.

I think that is a fabulous idea! It would be a nice response to all the new posters in this thread, you know the ones who HAVE to be related to Krusty.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #439 on: September 29, 2009, 02:05:30 AM »
Doctors know alot about diseases... but if your not the one treating someone your just guessing.

Nice expression that is probably appropriate somewhere... but it doesnt mean squat.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #440 on: September 29, 2009, 02:11:18 AM »
Give shuffler a break, he obviously just watched House, MD's new episode :aok

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #441 on: September 29, 2009, 02:17:15 AM »
I'm thinking it's time for an emergency SAPP meeting with a vote to petition HTC for removal of the P38 from the game and all the SAPP pilots start flying Spitfire 16s.

I had no idea the 38 was such a problem!  Never stopped me from dying, in a cartoon sorta way, ever :)

great idea guppy.  About time you lot got rid of the 2 engine Crutch and flew a mans plane.  :lol  thats if you can handle it at your age.
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #442 on: September 29, 2009, 02:38:25 AM »
I'm thinking it's time for an emergency SAPP meeting with a vote to petition HTC for removal of the P38 from the game and all the SAPP pilots start flying Spitfire 16s.

I had no idea the 38 was such a problem!  Never stopped me from dying, in a cartoon sorta way, ever :)

I think we should come clean about Operation D.M.A.D.T., and how our real plan was to get the P-38 either so porked as to render it unflyable or removed entirely from the game. 


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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #443 on: September 29, 2009, 02:39:21 AM »
I think we should come clean about Operation D.M.A.D.T., and how our real plan was to get the P-38 either so porked as to render it unflyable or removed entirely from the game. 


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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #444 on: September 29, 2009, 07:13:11 AM »
hey i tried some of the maneuvers i have seen people do in the ma in a 38 and come to two conclusions, i cant do it so they MUST be cheating!!! :furious :furious :furious :furious :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Kidding... some of us cant accept that others may have practiced more or are just plain better don't perk it don't tweak it just leave it the way it is! I truly cant come close to some of the stuff Ive seen people do in a 38,but every once in a while you get them, and then all is a big warm fuzzy!

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #445 on: September 29, 2009, 07:49:35 AM »
You are sort of correct. All objects accelerate towards the ground at the same rate, regardless of mass (weight).  The 2.2 ft/s is not correct. All objects accelerate at 32.2ft/sec/sec due to gravity. So after 1 sec they would falling at 32ft/s

Your obsolutely correct.  I had to look it up and where I got that 2.2 feet per second is actually 2.2 feet at 1000 yrd shot for one of my guns.  I'm I made a 101 overall grade in algebra and a 98 in geometry I feel so stupid, but thats been a long time ago  :) I appreciate the correction. 
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #446 on: September 29, 2009, 07:51:12 AM »
hey i tried some of the maneuvers i have seen people do in the ma in a 38 and come to two conclusions, i cant do it so they MUST be cheating!!! :furious :furious :furious :furious :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Kidding... some of us cant accept that others may have practiced more or are just plain better don't perk it don't tweak it just leave it the way it is! I truly cant come close to some of the stuff Ive seen people do in a 38,but every once in a while you get them, and then all is a big warm fuzzy!

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did i just read a common sense post?
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #447 on: September 29, 2009, 08:16:40 AM »
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did i just read a common sense post?
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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #448 on: September 29, 2009, 08:21:12 AM »
just to be clear i don't want to reduce the performance of the 38 or any other aircraft in isolation.

i just wish the games handled things differently in regards to flight and ACM do's and don'ts ...

we do throw these planes around a lot harder than could be reasonably explained away if we were in the real world, it would be a good thing IMO to have the consequences of "hanging it out" so much were represented more than they are currently.

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Re: P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.
« Reply #449 on: September 29, 2009, 08:28:20 AM »
just to be clear i don't want to reduce the performance of the 38 or any other aircraft in isolation.

i just wish the games handled things differently in regards to flight and ACM do's and don'ts ...

we do throw these planes around a lot harder than could be reasonably explained away if we were in the real world, it would be a good thing IMO to have the consequences of "hanging it out" so much were represented more than they are currently.

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no offense ...

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but..........

there ARE consequences for "hanging it out" too much.

trust me i know. i die a LOT of cartoon deaths from that.  :rofl
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