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Offline Masherbrum

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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2009, 07:46:37 AM »
I'd consult with Golfer and arrive at a "happy medium" after having him help locate a good shop around me to get classes from.    :rock
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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2009, 10:01:08 AM »


TU-95. Intercontinental range. Proven airframe. Lotta cheap spares. Pretty much a giant diddly you to noise abatement.

Otherwise I'd swing a PC-12 for bushing and a Grumman Goose for lake water


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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2009, 10:09:26 AM »
Cessna Colombia...

When this jet hits the market there will be no substitute.  ;)

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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2009, 10:51:35 AM »
Can't think of any business jet offhand that needs either.

Haven't dealt with many Lears or 500 series Cessnas or Be400s then I guess.
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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2009, 11:29:53 AM »
I think you'll find that he's going to say they don't need a GPU but rather they help with their operation.  While you can have your crew do a battery start as you climb on board your sweltering airplane for my money and comfort if for some reason I don't have an APU my choice would be a freon AC system and a GPU would be standard.

If a GPU is not available it's not uncommon to see Citation 650's and other airplanes crank an engine which burns only marginally more fuel at idle than an APU would (200lbs or so per hour) to run their air conditioning.  As an owner I would highly encourage mandatory usage of a GPU for a non APU equipped airplane as many operators already do.

That said unless something has changed in the times since I last saw it I can think of one current production business jet that does in fact require airstairs to use.  I'm sure there will be an option in the future but my first hand look-see in 2008 revealed no air stair on the Embraer Lineage.   A purpose built business jet based on the Embraer 190 airframe.

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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2009, 02:32:34 PM »
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TU-95. Intercontinental range. Proven airframe. Lotta cheap spares. Pretty much a giant twittle you to noise abatement.

Otherwise I'd swing a PC-12 for bushing and a Grumman Goose for lake water
TU-95 isn't a "jet"  :P
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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2009, 04:14:59 PM »
TU-95 isn't a "jet"  :P

It's close (turboprop) and you'd sure as hell stop traffic on the tarmac.    :rofl   "Excuse me sir, could you back up a few more feet?   These don't turn like they used too."
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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2009, 04:54:01 PM »
That said unless something has changed in the times since I last saw it I can think of one current production business jet that does in fact require airstairs to use.  I'm sure there will be an option in the future but my first hand look-see in 2008 revealed no air stair on the Embraer Lineage.   A purpose built business jet based on the Embraer 190 airframe.

The Lineage is available with built in airstairs.
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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2009, 05:34:59 PM »
piaggio avanti- not a jet but a turbo prop but sexy :aok
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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2009, 10:51:11 PM »
The Lineage is available with built in airstairs.

That can't be accessed or deployed from the outside of the airplane.  Quite a lot of good they do you if you ever park the airplane.  The only airstairs offered at present are the same ones offered as an option on the airliner versions which only deploy from the inside.  You'll need a boost to get up into the baggage compartment and into the cabin to deploy the airstairs.  The airliners don't have access to the baggage compartments from the cabin so that's a Lineage-only feature.  Since having your flight crew climb through the baggage isn't exactly what those with the coin to roll in a Lineage want to have happen FBO stairs have become what I'd define as necessary.

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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2009, 03:13:16 AM »
It would have to be the ViperJet

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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2009, 04:07:53 PM »
A   G-5......and lotssss of money
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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2009, 09:19:49 PM »
That can't be accessed or deployed from the outside of the airplane.  Quite a lot of good they do you if you ever park the airplane.  The only airstairs offered at present are the same ones offered as an option on the airliner versions which only deploy from the inside.  You'll need a boost to get up into the baggage compartment and into the cabin to deploy the airstairs.  The airliners don't have access to the baggage compartments from the cabin so that's a Lineage-only feature.  Since having your flight crew climb through the baggage isn't exactly what those with the coin to roll in a Lineage want to have happen FBO stairs have become what I'd define as necessary.

I haven't operated the Lineage airstairs, but I would be very surprised to hear there wasn't a way to operate the stairs from the outside.  I am familiar with (and have operated) more than a few airliner airstairs, and never ran into one yet that couldn't be operated from the outside.
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Re: If you could have your own Biz jet...
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2009, 10:45:58 PM »
You'll be very surprised then.  The Lineage stairs cannot be operated from the outside.