Any Glock Owners Out There?

[TwinEng]

do you imply that the sig is immune to negligent/accidental discharge?

I doubt he implies that.

But it does have a longer and heavier trigger pull on the first shot.  So it would be more difficult than a Glock to accidentally discharge.

At least I don't know of any video of an officer accidentally shooting his SIG, like that DEA agent did with his Glock:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj4yUpR1PB0


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[PJ_Godzilla]

This statement is just "anti-glock" ....  No matter what firearm you are carrying you *MUST* have very safe handling habits.  Otherwise you are a danger to yourself and anyone around you.  Glock firearms are as safe as any other gun on the market.  Negligent Discharges are cause by poor handling, poor decisions, and a string of mistakes.  An external safety is no guarantee against a negligent discharge.  A proper holster with the proper trigger protection should be used for all carry situations.  

Terror

You know, Terror, I basically agree with everything you say here. I also will honestly tell you that I've never had an accidental discharge of my Glock.

I holster and carry the Glock when I go out on my annual hunting trips. We've got some family property well west of Ann Arbor in Calhoun county. I feel totally comfortable having the thing under my arm when I'm out in the woods. Before I go on, let me answer the inevitable question: poachers and reports of big cats - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-11-30-mountain-lions_x.htm (the farm next door actually had some prints).

Yet I would never feel comfortable with that thing under my arm in, for example, Dearborn. It's me. It's not the gun. I know that that thing will go off if I pull the trigger or if something the size of a finger gets in the guard and exerts sufficient force on the trigger itself. I just don't trust myself to not somehow accidentally get something in there when I'm in a hurry and distracted. As a rule, I don't carry in urban settings anyway. OTOH, if I were expecting a problem, it'd be the gun to have. It's dead simple. But, if that were the case, I wouldn't be running to meetings juggling a bunch of paper and electronics .


If that sounds confused, I'd just put it down to the personal pref. The Glock is the handgun to have if you expect trouble. I prefer something else most of the time - because I'm generally not expecting trouble.  

It's kind of like the difference between a primary and a support... Or maybe irrational and rational fears. I mean, I know, in my head, that the trigger is completely protected by my underarm holster yet I still don't feel comfortable. I'm conditioned, is what I think it means - and 15 years of Glock ownership has not un-conditioned me.

Otherwise,  I love it - especially the absence of the external hammer and the consistent trigger (no single/double bs - I hate that crap) and don't want to be seen as dissing what I think to be an otherwise fine product.

[katanaso]

There's a lot of info on the 9mm vs .45 vs .40 debate.

I use +P loads in my 5906.  124gr +P.  And that's my carry weapon -- 15+1 in the chamber.

I absolutely prefer the stopping power of my 10mm (1006), but it's just too big and heavy to carry comfortably.

One gun that I think combines a lot of things is the FNH FNP-45 USG.  Large capacity magazine, polymer + stainless, adjustable backstraps, manual safety/decocker, and it's a .45.

I suppose that one post from somebody in the UK had a point -- he's lucky that he doesn't get tempted to buy into another hobby that can turn expensive in a snap!  

Also, check out www.ar15.com -- there are a lot of very knowledgable people there.

mir

[PJ_Godzilla]

I doubt he implies that.

But it does have a longer and heavier trigger pull on the first shot.  So it would be more difficult than a Glock to accidentally discharge.

At least I don't know of any video of an officer accidentally shooting his SIG, like that DEA agent did with his Glock:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj4yUpR1PB0


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I always want to file this hammer cocking double/single thing as "design limitation advertised as safety feature".

[Maverick]

Glocks do not have a hammer.

[Masherbrum]

Glocks do not have a hammer.

 

[PJ_Godzilla]

Glocks do not have a hammer.

Exactly. That's why it's the same pull every time. See my other post. In no way do I intend to denigrate the weapon or design.

This "longer pull on the first shot" advertised as a safety feature is classic marketing. It's an undesirable design limitation, imj, albeit a common one. Glock neatly sidesteps the entire issue with the use of a striker that is internal to the rear of the slide. Whether that's an internal hammer is a matter I leave to others. What is very clear is that it's not an external hammer and, better, it doesn't need to be first cocked back with some stupid-long initial pull.

It's like I told Terror, there is much to recommend the weapon and I am a Model 23 owner. People get all partisan about their guns. I'm NOT ripping the Glock.

[PJ_Godzilla]

  repeating me re: hammerless design - see 6:13p yesterday (lengthy post above, last para). comprehension, por favor.

[saantana]

The US should take Canadian gun laws as an example 

No one here is crying about them, too.

[Gman]

Re: Original Post

Any mid or compact size Glock will make a good CCW weapon.  Glock 19/23 in a Bladetech IWB at 4 o'clock would be my recommendation and preference.  As far as concerns regarding carrying a chambered round down your pants, it's a matter of training, as 99% of negligent discharges in this region are a result of the ol' finger on the trigger while reholstering.  The reason Glocks get a bad rap is that a lot of people will put the 3.5 lb trigger (the stock 5.5 is reasonably light too) into the pistol, and back to the finger on the trigger while trying to stuff the pistol into a holster, kaboom is the result...followed by the ow dance and some screaming usually.  DA/SA guns have a much higher lb pull DA trigger and sometimes this is enough to be noticed by said finger going into the holster with the result of it being quickly removed and a head scan to see if anyone on the range or the instructor caught said error. Hence, less AD's with non internal striker fired pistols.

I can't stress it enough - training training, and more training.  Some of the people on this board who consider themselves shooters are likely not even holding their pistols correctly, which is the building block upon which all other skills are taught, so take less of their advice and more of a good instructors by attending a CCW course from any number of good schools (yes I'm partial to mine).  In 2 days you'll be amazed by what you didn't know when you walked in, and then astonished by what you do when you walk out.

[Gman]

dbl post

[Strip]

You mean I am not supposed to hold it sideways with one hand?

 

[Denholm]

Yeeeeaah.... what's your name again?

[PJ_Godzilla]

You mean I am not supposed to hold it sideways with one hand?

 

I like to shoot like Shaggy 2 Dope in the movie "Big Money Hustlas" - 2 sideways, 1 in each hand, with a throwaway in my belt above my buttcrack. I like to spray bullets around the hood, just for laughs. 

Just don't put your finger down the side of that .357 revolver... That's a mistake I made ONCE. I was warned and forgot.

[Masherbrum]

repeating me re: hammerless design - see 6:13p yesterday (lengthy post above, last para). comprehension, por favor.

I quoted Maverick.