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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2009, 05:05:08 PM »
I just thought about this from Chris Rock:

"Everybody is talking about gun control. Got to control the guns. F%&, that, I like guns. If you've got a gun, you don't need to work out! Cause, I ain't working out. I ain't jogging. No, I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!' And people'd think before they shot someone 'Man I will blow your f#&^ing head off, if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man. You'd better hope I don't get no bullets on lay-away!' And even if you get shot you wouldn't need to go to the emergency room. Whoever shot you'd take their bullet back. 'I believe you got my property?"
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« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2009, 05:07:53 PM »
Classic skit and I long thought of it.   It still makes me laugh.   
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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2009, 09:00:22 PM »
Bought it, here's a quick video if you guys are interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZRkmyID1BU
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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2009, 07:05:01 PM »
Bought it, here's a quick video if you guys are interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZRkmyID1BU

Nice job clearing the gun when you pull it out of the box....  (alot of people would have skipped that step in making a video)  Just remember to remove the mag *before* clearing.  Just in case...

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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2009, 07:09:44 PM »
Glad to see you went with a Glock....

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« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2009, 01:05:12 AM »
Sweet!  and remember, treat every gun as if it were loaded and never point your gun at anything that you do not intend to shoot :)
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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #81 on: October 04, 2009, 02:02:47 PM »
I'm looking to buy my second gun.  I'm fairly certain I'll be getting a Glock but I only have one concern.  I want to to have the option to conceal carry the gun, that means sticking a gun close to my body with one in the chamber.  Anyone have any concerns about sticking the Glock down their pants or would you just recommend a good CC holster and practice on withdraw?

Thanks

Why Glock? 
These are some of the worst to conceal, bulky design is not easy to conceal. Not knocking Glock, but have you looked into others?

I own and easily conceal my SIG P226, thinner in design and most of all comfortable and easy to conceal, take a look around, there are many that may fit your needs.


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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #82 on: October 04, 2009, 03:39:49 PM »
Why Glock? 
These are some of the worst to conceal, bulky design is not easy to conceal. Not knocking Glock, but have you looked into others?

I own and easily conceal my SIG P226, thinner in design and most of all comfortable and easy to conceal, take a look around, there are many that may fit your needs.

Glock 23 is EASILY concealed.   
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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #83 on: October 04, 2009, 04:51:45 PM »
Why Glock? 
These are some of the worst to conceal, bulky design is not easy to conceal. Not knocking Glock, but have you looked into others?

I own and easily conceal my SIG P226, thinner in design and most of all comfortable and easy to conceal, take a look around, there are many that may fit your needs.

Okay, I haven't really made myself real clear here.  I didn't buy a gun specifically for conceal carry, it'll be a fun gun to shoot, a home defense gun, and an open carry PRIMARILY. 

IF I decide to get the conceal carry permit [In Kansas you have to apply, pay something like 150 to state and local gov, and take a training course that is a minimum $100.  So I'd be looking at something like $250 to get a concealed carry permit.  Now that restricts all the normal places, schools, government buildings, churches.  However, anyone can put up a no gun sign, I'll put a picture at the bottom of the post, and that restricts you from legally carrying a gun into that business, or residence I believe.] then I would be very limited to where I could even carry it.  I didn't get a full size pistol so if I ever did decide to carry concealed I would have the option.  So the concealed is just an option for the future, overall the quality of the Glock sold me.

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« Reply #84 on: October 04, 2009, 08:42:37 PM »
Okay, I haven't really made myself real clear here.  I didn't buy a gun specifically for conceal carry, it'll be a fun gun to shoot, a home defense gun, and an open carry PRIMARILY. 

IF I decide to get the conceal carry permit [In Kansas you have to apply, pay something like 150 to state and local gov, and take a training course that is a minimum $100.  So I'd be looking at something like $250 to get a concealed carry permit.  Now that restricts all the normal places, schools, government buildings, churches.  However, anyone can put up a no gun sign, I'll put a picture at the bottom of the post, and that restricts you from legally carrying a gun into that business, or residence I believe.] then I would be very limited to where I could even carry it. 

You can't carry in Churches?  Are you sure?

As for the signs, they can post them, but check the laws -- they may only be able to ask you to leave if you're carrying concealed.  But if you're not printing, nobody would know, and you wouldn't be asked to leave.

We don't have open carry in Florida, but we can carry concealed in nearly any place aside from Government Buildings, schools, airports, and bars/clubs that primarily serve alchohol.  There's more places, of course, but I don't feel it's so restrictive that I wouldn't spend $250 on it, if it cost that.  (Which sucks, btw.)

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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #85 on: October 04, 2009, 09:40:57 PM »
Alright, you made me break out the legislature.  

This is all under the 'Kansas Personal and Family Protection Act' [K.S.A. 75-c01 et. seq]

Here's a couple interesting places you cannot carry concealed into: [75-7c10]

(1) Any place where an activity declared a common nuisance by K.S.A. 22-3901, and amendments thereto, is maintained;

(6) any polling place on the day an election is held;

(8 ) on the state fairground;

(10) any athletic event not related to or involving firearms which is sponsored by a private or public
elementary or secondary school or any private or public institution of postsecondary education;

(11) any professional athletic event not related to or involving firearms;

(21) any church or temple;

As for the signs, it is technically illegal for you to carry conceal if they have the sign up.  But you are right that if you are actually carrying concealed, it shouldn't be a problem.  I don't like that risk if something does go wrong.  Of course most of these places I could still legally open carry into but chances are they don't know that law and would still ask me to leave.

I did double check the price and it is $150 in fees, plus training at an approved facility.  The lowest price I found is $100 and usually don't go above $150.

Here are the links to the Attorney General's website on concealed carry and a direct link to the legislation.  It includes other places you can't carry like bars/clubs, schools and all that stuff.

http://www.ksag.org/page/concealed-carry

http://www.ksag.org/files/shared/KPFPA%20Statutes%20%20(75-7c01%20et%20seq.)%202009%20Update.PDF
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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #86 on: October 04, 2009, 10:03:02 PM »
Okay, I haven't really made myself real clear here.  I didn't buy a gun specifically for conceal carry, it'll be a fun gun to shoot, a home defense gun, and an open carry PRIMARILY.  

Dude:

Open carry in most states is a real stupid thing to do.  It will do nothing but cause alarm and concern among others, and give you grief.   I would advise that you to get a CCW permit, if you want to have your gun loaded with you anywhere outside of your home.

A guy I've met who is really into open carry got into an incident with the police here recently, when he stopped to buy gas at a local gas station, openly carrying his handgun.   The owner had been robbed at gunpoint recently, and was thus terrified when he saw that the man was armed.   He called the police immediately, who rushed to the scene.  

Now the police could not arrest the man, since he had done nothing to violate the law.  But while he was detained by the officers while they did a warrant check on him, the owner gave him a trespass warning.  And the officers then explained to him that if the owner ever spotted him at his gas station again, they would come and arrest him for criminal trespass.


IF I decide to get the conceal carry permit [In Kansas you have to apply, pay something like 150 to state and local gov, and take a training course that is a minimum $100.  So I'd be looking at something like $250 to get a concealed carry permit.  

So what?  Are you saying that you cannot afford $250?  I just checked, and there are courses starting at $75  So $150 + $75 = $225  for a permit that is good for 4 years.   That works out to $56.25 a year

Your fees are much higher than what we have to pay in my state, I do admit.   And we only have to take a class once.   We don't have to take it again when we renew.   That really sucks that they do that to you.   But that is something that you can take up with your representatives in your state legislature.


However, anyone can put up a no gun sign, I'll put a picture at the bottom of the post, and that restricts you from legally carrying a gun into that business, or residence I believe.] then I would be very limited to where I could even carry it.  I didn't get a full size pistol so if I ever did decide to carry concealed I would have the option.  So the concealed is just an option for the future, overall the quality of the Glock sold me.

Man, you sure don't understand the law at all.   No one, in any state, has the right to take firearms onto the private property of another person without that person's permission.   Do you actually think that you have a right to come into my home with a gun, if I don't want you to?   Get real!  Likewise, any business operator can set rules for the private property that he owns.   Their rights easily trump any rights that you have, when you are on their privately owned property.


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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #87 on: October 04, 2009, 10:55:46 PM »
What an angry and aggressive response.  You should check out http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/.  It's the forum to OpenCarry.org.  It has a lot of first hand accounts of good and bad open carrying.  As I've done the research for my particular area.  I've found and met many people who open carry without issue.  The LEOs in my area are well informed of the law and understand my rights to open carry.  The gas station incident is unfortunate and it will happen, it is a risk open carriers understand and take.

And again, since you don't live here, you don't understand how many places have the signage (like noted in previous post) restricting concealed carry of firearms.  I can walk around all I want but the minute I want to enter almost any establishment, I would have to store my gun.  Therefore I don't see the tremendous advantage to it.

Finally, there is nothing illegal about me walking into a business open carrying.  The second they ask me to leave or remove the firearm, I have to or can be cited for trespassing, I understand that.  Now I have to admit my ignorance when it comes to private property.  I assume it works the same, I can walk onto the property but if the owner asks me to leave I have to or else can be cited for trespassing.

I don't know everything, but I do feel that I understand these laws pretty good.  We can discuss it but please don't treat me like an idiot sir.  :salute
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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #88 on: October 04, 2009, 10:56:59 PM »
Jayhawk, thanks for the links.  Just perusing the first link and links from that page showed that it's restrictive...

What about carrying in your car?  Do you need a license to keep it in a glovebox or center console?  I know you can open carry in the car, but in Florida, we can keep it in the glove box, center console, snapped holster, gun case, etc.., as long as it requires 1 step to getting the weapon.  (That's without a CCW permit).

I just think it's worth having, and not dealing with the hassles of open carry.

Honestly, even if we could open carry in Florida, I wouldn't unless I was out in the Everglades or someplace very rural.  It's probably a little nerousness on my part, but I'd be worried that somebody would be able to get it from me if it was in plain sight.

(Going through my teens in Florida, during the early 80's, burned some paranoia about this place into my brain...)  :(  


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Re: Any Glock Owners Out There?
« Reply #89 on: October 04, 2009, 11:02:36 PM »
And again, since you don't live here, you don't understand how many places have the signage (like noted in previous post) restricting concealed carry of firearms.  I can walk around all I want but the minute I want to enter almost any establishment, I would have to store my gun.  Therefore I don't see the tremendous advantage to it.

Finally, there is nothing illegal about me walking into a business open carrying.  The second they ask me to leave or remove the firearm, I have to or can be cited for trespassing, I understand that.

I feel for you here, and I experience the same frustration. 
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