"Clean" and "Dirty" are common colloquial references to no flaps/flaps conditions, and that is how I used it.
The figures you quoted were either simply designed to mislead or the person posting them didn't bother to notice that for a P-51D to have a wing loading of 48 lbs/foot it would have to weigh in at over 11,100 lbs...indicating full fuel *and* drop tanks. And it is clear from the differences in stall speed that the P-51 has the better lift-loading, not just lighter wing-loading by crude lbs/feet estimates.
The only problems I've heard about the Fws being heavy in AHII were regarding the 190 A-8, the claim there IIRC being that it has the weight of an up-armored version but in the opinion of those making the claim it lacks the toughness one would expect from an up-armored version.
I can't rattle the mathematical formulas off the top of my head, but I've read enough from Shaw and others to learn that the plane with the better lift loading will have the better instantaneous turn rate and radius, and almost always the smaller sustained turn radius. It is possible for a plane with a better power loading to have an equal or superior turn rate despite heavier loading, as the D9 apparently does in AHII. There is a limit however, especially with prop planes. Thus the 109 K-4 does not beat the A6M in sustained turn rate, despite a vastly superior power loading.
So the physics of the P-51 turning slightly better than both the A and D makes perfect sense, and is borne out by WWII testing and combat reports, where the P-51D was found to be slightly more nimble. Thus there is nothing to complain about in the relative performance of P-51 and 190, although one might *might* be justifiable in wondering why the turn so poorly for their wingloading in relation to most other craft in AHII.
i think *clean* re the weight means nothing hanging off the plane, tanks, bombs etc ...
i don't think stall speed is stated at all in the data i posted ...
also i think some have said the FWs are a bit heavy, is that just the a8 ?
still even with your numbers either the dora or the a5 should clearly out turn the pony depending on whether you choose to consider wing-loading as more important, or power loading as more important ...
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