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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2009, 11:53:21 AM »
Mmmhm. I'll talk to you next when you reach your teenage years.


Hell, knowing how screwed up things are sometimes, hes probably in his late 30's.
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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2009, 01:38:20 PM »

how exactly do you plan a revamp of the system and what exactly is the 29x/30x/31x.  please be as detailed as possible, since we're doing the same at my company, and who knows I may learn something here.  I used to be an accountant before, but that' was 10 years ago.  maybe things have changed. and if I remember correctly the daily rate was always more than the flat rate in just about every business I worked for.

Firstly, the two systems are separate. We're talking accounts and billing. I would love to see an accounts system revamp while the billing system stays the same.

Currently (as far as I can tell), the account system works like this: You create an account, attach a GameID to it, go through your two-week trial if you haven't already, then begin recurring billing. Once that payment stops (whether by you telling them you're done, canceling your account, or simply running out of money), the account is locked and if you were associated with anything (generally a squad, it seems) it also eats your GameID. I suspect a GameID can be unlocked(I'll find out on Monday), however an account cannot, no matter what. You must always create a brand new account and attach a free GameID to it.
Why? Why can't I have my OOZ662 account attached to the OOZ662 GameID and let it expire? There was a while I was burned out on the game. As punishment, I lost all my perks and squad affiliation. If they hadn't have done that mass GameID cleanout while I was gone, that would have been lost too. Recently I've had problems with my payment systems and so have gone through four more accounts, losing everything each time(though somehow keeping the GameID until now). I figure we ought to be able to "pause" our accounts; a yes/no option on the recurring billing. When your 30days after payment runs out, no playing until you send more money. Works on EvE(*shudder*) and PotBS, why not here?

As to the payments thing, it's assumed that a usage-based system based on too small an amount of time ruins people's lives (I've heard of at least two divorces due to the hourly billing mentioned earlier). Someone suggested daily billing. I assumed he meant "I log in and get charged for my day." That would be a huge overhead to whatever does the submission of charges (29x/30x/31x being the number of days in a month it would have to submit a tiny charge vs the 1x it submits a "big" charge now). I guess it could still be a monthly charge based on the amount you use, but that would still require a bit of work to the structure of the billing system to remember how many hours/days/whatever you've played.
Personally, I'd rather spend $.50 a day to not have to worry about a sudden $400 bill on a "good month" or to not need to "bean count" my time spent online in order not to go over. Everyone would then end up doing the same thing we are forced into by the cell services; buy a HECK of a lot more than you need in order to not worry about overcharges. More profit for HTC per user, but I bet less users since the competition bills ~$15 a month.
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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2009, 01:44:34 PM »
Firstly, the two systems are separate. We're talking accounts and billing. I would love to see an accounts system revamp while the billing system stays the same.

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Have you tried calling customer service or are you just trying to log into your old account and modifying it?  As I understand it, if you actually talk to a human being at HTC you can get your old account restored but not your perk points.

Dunno.

Perks are eaasy to get anyhow.

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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2009, 01:45:29 PM »
They do that by deleting the old account and creating a new one, hence the loss in perks. Why have to go through that?
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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2009, 02:16:36 PM »
I agree wiht OZZ about the Account/ID relation. I say we have a "Pause/Resume account" button, that will pause and resume payments on your account.  And that your game ID is linked to you and your Email adress, not your account. That would make you responsible for changing the email adress its linked to, but I think it would work.


And how about a daily, or weekly fee? daily is 1$ a day (double the rate for 15$/month) and 5$ a week (about 1 1/2 times the rate of 15$/month unless I did the math wrong). What do you think?
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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2009, 03:06:07 PM »
Firstly, the two systems are separate. We're talking accounts and billing. I would love to see an accounts system revamp while the billing system stays the same.

Currently (as far as I can tell), the account system works like this: You create an account, attach a GameID to it, go through your two-week trial if you haven't already, then begin recurring billing. Once that payment stops (whether by you telling them you're done, canceling your account, or simply running out of money), the account is locked and if you were associated with anything (generally a squad, it seems) it also eats your GameID. I suspect a GameID can be unlocked(I'll find out on Monday), however an account cannot, no matter what. You must always create a brand new account and attach a free GameID to it.
Why? Why can't I have my OOZ662 account attached to the OOZ662 GameID and let it expire? There was a while I was burned out on the game. As punishment, I lost all my perks and squad affiliation. If they hadn't have done that mass GameID cleanout while I was gone, that would have been lost too. Recently I've had problems with my payment systems and so have gone through four more accounts, losing everything each time(though somehow keeping the GameID until now). I figure we ought to be able to "pause" our accounts; a yes/no option on the recurring billing. When your 30days after payment runs out, no playing until you send more money. Works on EvE(*shudder*) and PotBS, why not here?

As to the payments thing, it's assumed that a usage-based system based on too small an amount of time ruins people's lives (I've heard of at least two divorces due to the hourly billing mentioned earlier). Someone suggested daily billing. I assumed he meant "I log in and get charged for my day." That would be a huge overhead to whatever does the submission of charges (29x/30x/31x being the number of days in a month it would have to submit a tiny charge vs the 1x it submits a "big" charge now). I guess it could still be a monthly charge based on the amount you use, but that would still require a bit of work to the structure of the billing system to remember how many hours/days/whatever you've played.
Personally, I'd rather spend $.50 a day to not have to worry about a sudden $400 bill on a "good month" or to not need to "bean count" my time spent online in order not to go over. Everyone would then end up doing the same thing we are forced into by the cell services; buy a HECK of a lot more than you need in order to not worry about overcharges. More profit for HTC per user, but I bet less users since the competition bills ~$15 a month.

how would this save money to allow them to switch to daily rates for some people?  and what does the u losing perks have anything to do with billing?  dude u have no idea what ur talking about.  and what makes u think its fair to have somebody play for 1 hour a day and be charged .50 which would be the same for somebody that plays 6 hours a day.  which is exactly what u guys are complaining about right now.  u dont think its fair that somebody plays couple of hours a week while other play many times that figure for the same price.

I see two different things that you are trying to accomplish here, and they're unrelated.

1 revamp the billing system to allow daily/minute/weekly rates.
2 allow you to save your id so you can reactivate at a later date, if and when u delete your account.

before u guys propose a daily/weekly rate that u think would be fair, (not sure to whom).  do you know how many people would want this daily rate?  would more people join if there was a daily rate?  how many people will quit the game if they got a monthly bill of more than 15 because they got drunk and played over their limit.  what time does the daily rate end?  midnight?  which zone, pst, est ?

we had this use based billing system 10 years ago with aol.  trust me u dont want it, because it will turn around and bite you in the azzz.

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and while u guys are arguing over this, I am gonna go and refill the empty water bottles with tap water (I have a filter in the fawcet).  girlfriend is not here and she dont know, and she cant taste the difference either, after all, bottled water is just tap water.  I have been doing this for several months and just got me a new 23 in monitor with the money saved.  and that's how u save money.




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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2009, 03:07:32 PM »
how would this save money to allow them to switch to daily rates for some people?  and what does the u losing perks have anything to do with billing?  dude u have no idea what ur talking about.

I stopped right here, since you clearly can't read my posts for what they are meant to say and decided to insult me instead. :)
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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2009, 03:30:57 PM »
1 revamp the billing system to allow daily/minute/weekly rates.
2 allow you to save your id so you can reactivate at a later date, if and when u delete your account.

before u guys propose a daily/weekly rate that u think would be fair, (not sure to whom).  do you know how many people would want this daily rate?  would more people join if there was a daily rate?  how many people will quit the game if they got a monthly bill of more than 15 because they got drunk and played over their limit.  what time does the daily rate end?  midnight?  which zone, pst, est ?

We pretty much decided to scrap the hourly idea and I thing were going for daily or weekly deal.
Yes, that way we don't have to get a new name that no one's taken, get our affiliations back, and earn our perks back.

It would stop once it hit 15$. And the daily/weekly rate would be more than that of the 15$/month. HTC earns more money per day/week off them, but they pay less in the end so everyones happy.

Yes, daily rate ends at midnight for the servers, or we could use the time zone right next to the Prime Meridian or the internationl date line so we can't be favoring the players in any country, were just setting a spot that everyone knows.
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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2009, 03:44:40 PM »
Holy cow HiTech, thats a Corvette car payment!

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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #69 on: October 04, 2009, 04:39:04 PM »
We pretty much decided to scrap the hourly idea and I thing were going for daily or weekly deal.
Yes, that way we don't have to get a new name that no one's taken, get our affiliations back, and earn our perks back.

It would stop once it hit 15$. And the daily/weekly rate would be more than that of the 15$/month. HTC earns more money per day/week off them, but they pay less in the end so everyones happy.

Yes, daily rate ends at midnight for the servers, or we could use the time zone right next to the Prime Meridian or the internationl date line so we can't be favoring the players in any country, were just setting a spot that everyone knows.

LOL!!! your not going for anything! nor is anyone else ! HTC decides what it cost, and at this time it $15 a month. Either pay, or don't. That's the only choice you have to "go with" 

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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2009, 04:54:23 PM »
Its not the only choice we have if we get HTC to add our ideas. Were the customers, and if HTC pisses enough of us off and we quit, then Hi Tech Creations goes down the tubes. Whey else do we have a wishlist if were never going to change anything? I honestly think that the new customers who can only play for a week or two a month will make up for the profits lost by those of us who would rather pay more per week than more total.

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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2009, 05:07:33 PM »
Its not the only choice we have if we get HTC to add our ideas. Were the customers, and if HTC pisses enough of us off and we quit, then Hi Tech Creations goes down the tubes. Whey else do we have a wishlist if were never going to change anything? I honestly think that the new customers who can only play for a week or two a month will make up for the profits lost by those of us who would rather pay more per week than more total.

Not everyone is rich enough to afford an alienware computer with surround sound speakers, triple head to go giving them wide screen, and a minifridge all in their private jet....

nemesis then again before u say we the customers, I would like to know "who" exactly u talking about.  u talking about a few existing customers, 10%, all of us, what. make a cost benefit analysis. submit your idea and i am pretty sure htc would consider it, specially if you could prove that it would be a better system and it would attract new customer, hell I bet you could get a job as a consultant.  btw most people here dont have alienware computers and only a few have triple head.  most of my squad and the guys i know have something little better than a pentium 4 (if that) held together with tape.
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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2009, 05:18:28 PM »
nemesis then again before u say we the customers, I would like to know "who" exactly u talking about.  u talking about a few existing customers, 10%, all of us, what. make a cost benefit analysis. submit your idea and i am pretty sure htc would consider it, specially if you could prove that it would be a better system and it would attract new customer, hell I bet you could get a job as a consultant.  btw most people here dont have alienware computers and only a few have triple head.  most of my squad and the guys i know have something little better than a pentium 4 (if that) held together with tape.


When I say "we" I mean everyone who has a subscription to HTC and doesn't work for them. And I'm considering it, but I can't be employeed for a couple more years unless I have the laws wrong. And I know few have high end machines, but the attitude in here seems to be "well I can play, so everyone else can but must be wasting their money on bottled water, so they can go piss up a rope."
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Re: How about a new billing system?
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2009, 05:29:15 PM »
For the $15 I pay a month for this I aint complaining.  I play enough to justify paying the entire fee.  Anyway anothe rposter said it comes out to .50 cents a day.  You cant beat that.  I spend more on the beer I drink during an FSO than I do on the subscription.  Keep it as is.


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« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2009, 05:37:12 PM »
Yes, YOU might, but we have to remember that with the economy in the shape it is, some of us might have enough for 1 week a month at 5$ a week and then thats it.
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