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Offline SirLoin

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« on: June 01, 2001, 03:13:00 AM »
I'm no expert in varients,but this one doesn't feel right.The darn thing can turn down low.Should it not be a high alt range plane that drops like a brick when in danger?A plane with that much sheet aluminum/steel plating and ammo should squeak when you twitch.I took one for a ride a couple of times and couldn't believe the kills I racked up.Didn't take much effort and left me with an empty feeling about what I thought the Jug should be.
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2001, 06:24:00 AM »
No comments ... no wait ... giggling. Hum? Is that a comment? It's a fact ... no a statement.

Anyway, yesterday I took a niki, flew straight into a cloud of red people and got 4 before RTBing. Nice  

Oh? No relation with the current thread? Sorry, it's the morning and I'm about to solo a student (a girl, 17y old), so I blow up some steam in the non sence threads.

Oups, I said non sense? Let me correct that : "so I blow up some steam in the x-file folders".
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2001, 07:04:00 AM »
Bah, the D11 is no different from the D25 and the D30 really.  On a full fuel load internal it's like 350 lbs lighter (less gas) and has increased side-plate area due to the razorback canopy that gives it better stability at low speed.  Other than that, how much fuel you are carrying means more than whether it's a D25 or a D11 in my experience.  And I have quite a bit of experience in Jugs.

If you can get kills in the D11, you can get them just as easily in the D25 or D30.  Those of us who have been flying Jugs for months find it very similar to the others.  Those that are trying a Jug for the first time in a while are just getting surprised at what a capable plane it really is.  It doesn't turn, it doesn't accellerate, and it doesn't climb.  At arena altitudes, it's slower than many of it's competitors.  It can dive, zoom, and hold energy with vertical maneuvers.  It has a very good high speed initial turn.  It rolls and handles well at all speeds, but particulary at high speed compared to most other planes.  It has one of the best gun sets in the entire game.  I only rate 4x Hispano .20mm higher than 8 .50's.

If you think the D11 is good... try the D25 and D30.  I guarantee you'll find they are just as competitive if you take a bit less fuel than in the D11.  Once the Aux tank burns off in all the Jugs, they really start to handle well.  When you get 'em down to 50% main tank and less, they'll surprise a lot of people and get you kills.

If you still think something is wrong... what is?  Is it too fast?  Roll too well?  Climb too well?  Turn too well?  Do some tests and see for yourself.  "It should suck more than this" doesn't cut it.  

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2001, 12:26:00 PM »
Gee,we a little testy Frenchy..How's this for sarcasm..Out of all the avionics dials and switches,there is one knob that causes more aircraft accidents than anything else.What might that be?..You guessed it Captain. <This fact brought to you by your friendly neighbourhood Aircraft Maintenance Engineer's(AME) Association."Duh,shouldn't we lower the flaps Captain?We almost at the end of the runway?"
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2001, 12:36:00 PM »
SirLoin,

Have you ever woken up with the head of a dead horse staring you straight in the face ?

hmm... didn't think so  

muhahahahah

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2001, 04:02:00 PM »
The D-11 is much easier to control than the d-30, I've noticed quite a bit of difference. And before you say BAH, NUTTZ is purely a Niki dweeb, Looks at my tours i fly the D-30 ALOT and have a decent K/D in it. The D-11 is Much easier to control, turns really nice in comparison to the d-25 d-30 and is down right sweet on deck.
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Originally posted by Lephturn:
Bah, the D11 is no different from the D25 and the D30 really.  On a full fuel load internal it's like 350 lbs lighter (less gas) and has increased side-plate area due to the razorback canopy that gives it better stability at low speed.  Other than that, how much fuel you are carrying means more than whether it's a D25 or a D11 in my experience.  And I have quite a bit of experience in Jugs.

If you can get kills in the D11, you can get them just as easily in the D25 or D30.  Those of us who have been flying Jugs for months find it very similar to the others.  Those that are trying a Jug for the first time in a while are just getting surprised at what a capable plane it really is.  It doesn't turn, it doesn't accellerate, and it doesn't climb.  At arena altitudes, it's slower than many of it's competitors.  It can dive, zoom, and hold energy with vertical maneuvers.  It has a very good high speed initial turn.  It rolls and handles well at all speeds, but particulary at high speed compared to most other planes.  It has one of the best gun sets in the entire game.  I only rate 4x Hispano .20mm higher than 8 .50's.

If you think the D11 is good... try the D25 and D30.  I guarantee you'll find they are just as competitive if you take a bit less fuel than in the D11.  Once the Aux tank burns off in all the Jugs, they really start to handle well.  When you get 'em down to 50% main tank and less, they'll surprise a lot of people and get you kills.

If you still think something is wrong... what is?  Is it too fast?  Roll too well?  Climb too well?  Turn too well?  Do some tests and see for yourself.  "It should suck more than this" doesn't cut it.  



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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2001, 04:51:00 PM »
D11 handles sweetly, its not that it turns better its just more stable, it will not turn any harder, only its low speed handling is improved. It handles more like Bon johnson and Bud Mahurin siad it did for them in the War.

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2001, 05:47:00 PM »
I was wondering about some of the feedback I've heard on this plane.  While it something like 650-800 pounds lighter than the -25, it also doesn't convert power as well at lower speeds as it pre-dates the prop change made on P-47s.  Anyway, to make a long story short, I did some checking and it turns out that it is underweight.  I mistakenly calculated weights based on the 425 round loadout instead of the 267 round loadout.  As a result, it is underweight by that difference in weight, about 390 pounds.



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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2001, 05:59:00 PM »
So Pyro, that means you will add more weight to the new Jug?

whoopeeit.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2001, 06:29:00 PM »
Pyro, the D-11 should have the same prop as the D-25.

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2001, 07:52:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Pyro:
I was wondering about some of the feedback I've heard on this plane.  While it something like 650-800 pounds lighter than the -25, it also doesn't convert power as well at lower speeds as it pre-dates the prop change made on P-47s.  Anyway, to make a long story short, I did some checking and it turns out that it is underweight.  I mistakenly calculated weights based on the 425 round loadout instead of the 267 round loadout.  As a result, it is underweight by that difference in weight, about 390 pounds.



if you calculated the weight on the 425 rnd loadout instead of the 267 rnd loadout, wouldnt it be heavy? I am missing it. I hope you arent gonna nueter the D-11 though.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2001, 09:36:00 PM »
S! Pyro

The D11 should have the paddle blade prop.  All the D model Jugs in operation in January of 1944 were re-equipped with the paddle blade prop.  And these were the planes which fought the Luftwaffe between January and June when the 8th AAF won the Battle of Germany.  The bubble top versions were not in use during this crucial period.  Any Scenario which aspires to having the correct aircraft would require a Razorback Jug with paddle blade prop and water injection.

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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2001, 02:49:00 PM »
You know maybe it's just that I don't push it as hard in turns as some of you TnB drivers do because I don't expect it to perform.  I guess that's the difference.  Since turn rate isn't the Jug's strength, I never rely on it, so I didn't see as much of a difference as some others did.

Glad to see Pyro is going to make it all clean and legal.  I wouldn't want the Jug to be too popular... that would take some of the fun out of it.  

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2001, 03:11:00 PM »
Prop change happened on the -22.



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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2001, 04:26:00 PM »
 
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Prop change happened on the -22.


actually it was a gradual thing. The paddle blade props made it to the 56th FG in early 44. All the AC were not fitted with these in one large swap however over a short period of time. At any one time the unit had 2-3 revisions of the P-47 on the Flightline.
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