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Offline SIK1

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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2009, 06:44:53 PM »
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2009, 09:05:36 PM »
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2009, 10:04:37 PM »
True but still boring.

You won't really know till you try it though  :D

I have tried it, but its not relevant to the discussion.  Neither is whether or not a certain flying style is boring.
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2009, 10:08:50 PM »
So...where is the thing that makes it the "best"?

When you decry the performance of the P-51 in-game, you make it sound like any player is lucky to get it off the runway.  I'm not going to change your mind anyway, so lets just agree to disagree, as I suggested in the earlier post.   :aok
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2009, 10:09:34 PM »
I have tried it, but its not relevant to the discussion.  Neither is whether or not a certain flying style is boring.

Oh, its kind of of relevant. This is a game after all...and it could be argued that a plane which you can engage in a very aggressive, happy-go-lucky manner and get quick kills in could be considered to have the advantage over one in which you must show more caution and discipline.
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2009, 10:10:33 PM »
When you decry the performance of the P-51 in-game, you make it sound like any player is lucky to get it off the runway.  I'm not going to change your mind anyway, so lets just agree to disagree, as I suggested in the earlier post.   :aok

I don't think I ever said it was awful, just not ENY 5 material and certainly not the "best" non-perker.
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2009, 04:14:17 AM »

What about getting 5 perks instead of 10 for killing several low ENY planes with a P-51D? Still sound like ENY is a non-issue?

ENY has two purposes. To "handicap" the high numbers side in the war, and to encourage people to fly rides which can do less by offering them more perks. You can't really base it on anything *but* plane capability.

And lets look at the problem in reverse. You will now get more points for killing P-51s with La7s-a plane which owns the P-51D in every performance metric at the most typical MA combat alts-than you will get for the reverse. It was perverse enough enough when killing an La7 with a N-Jug and killing an N-Jug with an La7 earned you the same points.

The P-51D is just not good enough to be a 5 ENY plane in the low-alt MAs. Its performance doesn't justify it, nor does its k/d.

Yes, earing perks in sub ENY 10 planes is a pointless exercise. It just ain't worth it and I cannot imagine anybody is doing it on purpose. From that point of view, it really does not matter if a certain plane is ENY 5 or 8.

On the P51 vs La7 argument: I really don't see a big issue with that. While the difference in % seems rather big, the actual perks earned are still little. And that is what counts, you pay in perks, not in %.

As for the 51D being worthy of ENY 5 - You only consider A2A. The 51D is vastly superior to the La7 in A2G, much more than the La is superior in A2A. So, ALL things considered, the P51D is a better plane than the La7.

I have not seen La7 porking bases in any manner yet. But you see 51Ds doing that very often. So take its K/D ratio with a grain of salt, it's skewed by base porking deaths.       

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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2009, 06:01:23 AM »
...just not ENY 5 material and certainly not the "best" non-perker.

Only a fool fails to recognize that the Spit XVI is the best non-perked plane in the game.  Frailty might be its only weakness, but just try to hit one doing that death blossom thing... :P
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2009, 06:16:23 AM »
not to mention  all the inexperienced virtual pilots who have only been exposed to the popular culture, believing that the p-51 was something it was not, and getting their rumps handed to them for operating outside it's envelope.  not being experienced enough to get away with that so so much. 

the few times i have not had a plane available, (once or twice i think) it just was an opportunity to explore the plane set a bit.  i usually approach the games by learning my plane very well so having to switch can be enjoyable for a change of pace.

also being interested in the history of things it is good to remind ourselves that our historic counterparts only spent 1/6th to 1/8th of the war in the plane some seem so loath to spend 20 minutes without.

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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2009, 06:59:41 AM »
Now I've never particularly agreed with ENY limits. On the defensive end of it. When ENY becomes an issue It really doesnt matter what kind of plane they are coming in "A horde is a horde is a horde"
On the offensive side. If ENY has kicked in it doesnt matter what plane I fly in because the numbers advantage make up for the difference because I know that a horde is a horde is a horde

BUT!
Course you all do realize that if you  diversify and learn more then one plane well. You accomplish two things.

You learn how to fly and defeat other planes (even with less uber planes)because you have learned their strengths and weaknesses.

ENY limits matter less because you know how to fly other planes that arent effected by ENY

Hit me with ENY and I have no problems jumping into a 109 F and getting kills in that instead. Thing is I know how to fly the 109f well enough that ENY doesnt matter And unless Im outnumbered. Or the opposing pilot is pretty good. I can hold my own in it against pretty much anything.

Another benefit to learning to fly less uber planes is that when you do go back to flying the uber planes. They are that much easier to fly because you've added another skill set to your repertoire.

Quit wetnursing yourselves with the superduper planes and learn how to fly the planes that require more effort to be successful in. after some initial struggles you will become better overall pilots in the long run.
And when ENY kicks in. Your attitude will bwe more of a "so what" then an "Oh no!"
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2009, 07:12:19 AM »
ENY doesn't really mean awhole lot folks.  :salute
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2009, 12:42:20 PM »


Quit wetnursing yourselves with the superduper planes and learn how to fly the planes that require more effort to be successful in.

Some planes with low ENY numbers aren't superduper.

Some planes with high ENY numbers are monsters.

P-51D vs 109 K-4 for example.
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2009, 03:38:33 PM »
Frailty might be its only weakness

Speed?  I think its speed is a much bigger handicap than its durability.
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2009, 04:04:41 PM »
Speed?  I think its speed is a much bigger handicap than its durability.

At typical MA alts is about as fast or faster than the F4U-1C, P-47D-40, P-38L, Ki-84. These planes are not considered handicapped in the speed department.
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Re: Should I be disappointed?
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2009, 04:12:49 PM »
Compared to an La-7 or P-51D, its slow.  None of those other aircraft you listed are barn-burners at sea level.
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