arent u tank drivers angry? ..

[buscaglia]

Karnak:  Have you ever tried to kill a hanger with a Panzer? Other than the VH, it takes most of its ammo load to kill a single hanger.

really ? I didnt know, i dont drve tanks a lot cause i suck in em...But, well, what the..Why?????!?!?!?**!?????

I mean, I dont know a lot about tank cannons...But common sense tells me that shouldnt be like this...it should take 3, 4  75mm rounds to kill an hangar...

Am I wrong?

Anyway...generally: arent u tank drivers angry? ..it takes so long to get to an enemy airfields (especially in some maps) and when u get there u can either:
- get detracked by an uber m16
- get destroyed by a: chog,il2,yak9u dweeb
- waste all ammo to kill just a couple of hangers

Are tanks correctly modeled? Were so difficult to kill a lil bunker   ?
And if yes, were 1000 lbs eggs so much better than tank stin?

[Ripsnort]

1  .50 cal bullet takes a tank track out in AH.  A few more kills the tank.  I spend very little time in tanks due to this bug.  Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

In regards to hangars, I think they require so much ammo as a gameplay factor..ie, you need cooperation and alot of tanks, supporting A/C to take out an airfield.

[popeye]

Also, I would think that the frontal armor of a tank would be impervious to 20mm and 40mm AA.  No?

[Pepe]

I posted this on the CT forum, but I think would benefit the MA as well.

Cheers,

[SKurj]

the abilities of the tank are.... overrated big time unfortunately
Once the damage model of the armored vehicles (Pz and FP) is fixed, they still won't be very effective.  
The good old days of tank war ended a long time ago... it would be great to see those days return.  
The panzer should be more of a threat to the bases, the FP should be a threat also just not as much so IMO.
The M16 should be a threat to nothing but soft targets!! (m16's m3's aircraft)

I believe the current weapon modelling in the game needs a little more diversification.  10 37mm hits to the PzIV we have in Aces should NOT penetrate it anywhere but the very rear of the tank from very close. While 1 75mm AP/HE (what was actually used by the german armor) is very likely to penetrate any part of the tank at ranges up to 2000m (64mm).

We can always hope +)


SKurj

[highflyer]

In aces high a 1000 lb bomb will not destroy a fighter hanger.  

This is funny, I belive that a 1000lb bomb would be just about enough to take out the ENTIRE HQ.

Id be willing to bet that If a 4000lb bomb were dropped in the middle of a field, you would damage almost everything within a few hundred foot radius.

I hate game play consessions.

[Ripsnort]

Highflyer, you have to add game play to historical stuff, otherwise you don't have a sim...we've already been thru 'soft hangars' in this sim, over 1.5 years ago, read the threads, they were toughened up for a reason.

[Betown]

Even so Rip,
           In my opinon, you drop a nice big 75mm panzer shell on a Hanger and it goes BOOM. It's unusable. Period. I think that puting tanks in this game was a pretty lame idea if you don't have a role for them. And at the moment, we don't.
Just my 2p's worth

[Ripsnort]

I've had some awesome tank vs tank battles in this game..that's what I use em for these days.

[Karnak]

Busc,

I was actually considering suggesting that 75mm rounds should take hangers down quickly.  I don't think that it should take more than 10 75mm HE rounds, frankly it should probably take less.

Make tanks a threat and they'll get used.

Please HTC, make the tanks a threat to an airfield. Give us a reason to use one instead of a bomber.

[Pongo]

well lets see.
3000 pounds of bombs, which contain 80%(?) HE.. 2400 pounds of HE....

16 pound HE shell..60% HE content.. thats 9.6 pounds..
so the equivilent number of pak 40 shells would be.... 250..
hey they are giving you a deal if you can kill a hanger with fewer then 4 tanks.

Not saying that for game balance purposes that the damage to kill a hanger from a panzer should not be decreased. But if we think that 3k of HE is what it takes to kill a hanger then that is alot of 75mm rounds...

[Karnak]

Pongo,

True, but I was intending it to be a gameplay change.  After all the durability to aircraft is a gameplay thing as well.

I would love to see tank use encouraged.

I know at least one person who is thinking of signing up, but he is mainly a tank guy.  Tanks being an actual threat would encourage him greatly.

[Gtoraii]

Skurj
 You said "the abilities of the tank are.... overrated big time unfortunately
.
The good old days of tank war ended a long time ago... it would be great to see those days return. "

What do you mean by this? Tanks in RL are overrated or in the game? In the game I would say yes that’s true. In RL I would ask how do you figure? The tank is the king of the battle field and it always will be.

I believe the M1 Abrams took out more ground targets then aircraft did in the gulf war.  How does that make it overrated?

[SKurj]

heh I was talking about the game +)

Once upon a time you saw a panzer closing on your field you immediately made motions to deal with it, and it was great fun!!  The panzer was a threat to the field, you had to stop it.
I say overrated now, because i think perhaps players who haven't used them much don't realize how ineffective they are at the present time in the game.
At the moment a single 50 calibre MG can kill a panzer in Aces... When the only gun in Aces that should be able to penetrate the panzer from any angle is the 75mm it alone carries.  (not counting 88's and fleet guns or AC guns)

SKurj

[Toad]

IMO, the things we attack here, like hangars, are symbols, not the actual item.

When you down a hangar you are damaging the fields theoretical ability to launch aircraft in many aspects. The hangars represent maintenance, parked available aircraft, etc.

I think that's why it takes varying amounts of HE that are greater than what one would expect to need in "RL".