An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes

[RufusLeaking]

Let’s keep this thread as a calm and rational discussion of the recent ENY changes.  Emotional outbursts and name calling can be posted on the other 12,000 threads.

Not being a regular in EW, MW or AvA, I haven’t looked into ENY changes in these arenas, if any.

Here is a summary of ENY changes between LW Tours 116 and 117.

Model type   ENY -116     ENY - 117   Delta
A-20G   25   15   -10
Bf 109G-14   20   25   5
Bf 110C-4b   35   40   5
Brewster B-239   25   30   5
C.205   20   25   5
F4F-4   20   35   15
F4U-1D   15   10   -5
FM2   20   25   5
Fw 190A-8   31   25   -6
Fw 190F-8   20   25   5
Hurricane Mk IIC   10   12   2
I-16   30   35   5
Il-2   25   20   -5
Ki-61   25   30   5
Ki-84-Ia   15   20   5
La-5FN   20   25   5
La-7   5   8   3
LVTA4   40   35   -5
M-8   40   35   -5
Mosquito Mk VI   25   30   5
N1K2   5   8   3
P-38L   20   15   -5
P-39D   30   35   5
P-39Q   20   30   10
P-40E   30   35   5
P-47-D11   25   30   5
P-47-D25   22   25   3
P-47N   5   10   5
P-51D   8   5   -3
Spitfire Mk V   25   30   5
Ta 152H   5   10   5
Typhoon IB   10   8   -2
Wirbelwind   25   15   -10
Yak-9T   25   30   5
Yak-9U   20   23   3
 
[How does one get a table to display properly on this board?]

Everything in this OP is what I know of ENY.  Any errors will be vigorously pointed out by the community, I am sure.  

I have not seen published rationale for the values assigned to various aircraft.  There are two effects of ENY: restrictions on availability when the numbers of players per team is significantly unbalanced, and to calculate the value in perk points earned for different match ups.

The availability restrictions seem affect game play more often and more materially.  It is not unusual to see the ENY pop over 10.  A value of 20 is much less common.  I believe the maximum is 29, which is rarely seen.  Freakishly high ENY values are usually associated with off hours, arena changes, etc.

Is there any data out there on the time spent at various ENYs?  I am sure that more time is spent between 5 and 8 than 20 and 25.  How much effect is there in terms of time?   For example, how much more time will the P-51D be unavailable per month now that it is 5 instead of 8?

The fact that ENY values are used in the calculation of perk points earned really matters more to those who like to fly perked planes.  It seems that experienced guys are more likely to be motivated by this.  All things being equal, there should be a direct correlation between difficulty of scoring kills and ENY.

One idea that came and went in my mind was that of sliding ENYs.  The ENY of any given plane would go up and down based on how many were in the air for a country at any given time.  I haven’t thought out the actual formula.  There would be a base value which would change dynamically in response to the arena.  Maybe there could be a little lag to allow the big Pony hordes a chance to lift.  It would make re-arming a restricted plane more important and plane damage more significant as it would possibly require one to tower out and lose the restricted ride, at least for a little while.  This idea is not good as it would cause more grief to newbies as opposed to vets who would hold the rides longer on average.  

Another thought is to spend perk points for the difference between the ENY value of the airplane and the current arena ENY.  If you want a ride that badly, you can always pay for it.

I find it interesting which planes have been changed and in which directions.  A negative delta would mean HTC is reducing the incentive to fly a plane and increasing the value of shooting it down.  A positive delta is opposite, of course.  Apparently, HTC wants to see many more F4F-4s and less A-20Gs.

Personally, I have no strong feelings either way as I like planes like the C.205, Yak-9U and the I-16.  I rarely up perked planes, though I will grab a Tiger now and then.

[Boozeman]

Well, lets see what effetcs on AC usage the new ENY values will have. I think it will not change the game alot, but some things can be predicted.

For instance, we will see an increase in LA7 usage and a decline in P51 usage. Now the LA is safer from ENY effects than the 51D, previously it was the opposite.

Planes like the P-39Q and F4F-4 will get more usage, their previous rating of 20 was way off. With the new values, they are a much more attractive perk-earn platform.

[CAP1]

Well, lets see what effetcs on AC usage the new ENY values will have. I think it will not change the game alot, but some things can be predicted.

For instance, we will see an increase in LA7 usage and a decline in P51 usage. Now the LA is safer from ENY effects than the 51D, previously it was the opposite.

Planes like the P-39Q and F4F-4 will get more usage, their previous rating of 20 was way off. With the new values, they are a much more attractive perk-earn platform.

there were more 262's and 163's than i'm accustomed to seeing last night.

the 163's seemed to be flown aggressivly, the 262s seemed to be flown very timidly.

i could be wrong.......

[Shuffler]

Yup 262s and 163s seemed to be everywhere.

[CAP1]

Yup 262s and 163s seemed to be everywhere.

so it was both lw arenas?

[FireDrgn]

How do you make decisions based on ENY?.....  For me Eny only comes into play when i am forced  to look at it.  


Isn't ENY a reactive system not a proactive one?.   If perk values go down we will see a bunch of easy kills  like last night  saw a bunch of chogs  163..ect  flown by noobs.   I mean they were  augering into the runway for pete sake.

Perk value wont change the way th egame is played for players that have been around for a while.

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[Shuffler]

I am amazed at all the talk about eny when it only affects those who do not even sides.

Still a non-issue.

[Anaxogoras]

the 163's seemed to be flown aggressivly, the 262s seemed to be flown very timidly.

Your observation is completely explained by the performance of those aircraft.  The 262 takes a long time to accelerate and doesn't turn well, while the 163 handles like a Spit XVI, and accelerates like, well, like a rocket plane.

[Anaxogoras]

I am amazed at all the talk about eny when it only affects those who do not even sides.

Still a non-issue.

No, it does affect everyone in terms of perks/kill.

[Shuffler]

Your observation is completely explained by the performance of those aircraft.  The 262 takes a long time to accelerate and doesn't turn well, while the 163 handles like a Spit XVI, and accelerates like, well, like a rocket plane.

 

 

[CAP1]

Your observation is completely explained by the performance of those aircraft.  The 262 takes a long time to accelerate and doesn't turn well, while the 163 handles like a Spit XVI, and accelerates like, well, like a rocket plane.

good point......i hadn't thought of it that way.

one of the 262's did come down to tangle, but only after he had a corsair to back him up. someone else came in, and popped the corsair, and the 262 extended a couple sectors immediately afterward.

 it's hard for me to dodge those dam things, as i'm not used to judging such a high closure rate.

[Lusche]

it only affects those who do not even sides.

Which are the vast majority of players.

[Shuffler]

Which are the vast majority of players.

Their choice.

As I said in another thread... for someone to complain about eny is like going out and buying a green car then complaining because you don't like green.

[Chalenge]

What I find odd about ENY now is the P51 which was numerous in WWII is now less available than the Ta-152 which was as scarce as a green-haired rabbit.

[Anaxogoras]

What I find odd about ENY now is the P51 which was numerous in WWII is now less available than the Ta-152 which was as scarce as a green-haired rabbit.

Nonsense.  You're still going to see x10^3 more P-51Ds in the arena than Ta-152s, and that might be a conservative estimate.