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Offline Citabria

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« on: August 13, 2000, 09:55:00 PM »
speed is everything in the AH main arena...
Or is it?

what if you gave up roll rate and dive recovery for speed?
would your plane be more survivable in the environment of the AH main arena?


this is exactly the situation for the P-38J vs the P-38L


 
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The revised beard radiators produced some additional drag, but it was more than adequately compensated for by the improved cooling which made the Allison finally capable of delivering its full rated power at altitude. Consequently, the P-38J was the fastest variant of the entire Lightning series--420 mph at 26,500 feet. Maximum speed at 5000 feet was 369 mph

its actually the fastest lightning being a bit faster than the P-38L and a bit lighter too


P-38J empty wieght: 12,780 lbs
P-38L empty wieght: 14,100 lbs

I think it would be an interesting dynamic to have the P-38J (pre P-38J-25-LO) without the wieght of hydraulically boosted ailerons and dive recovery flaps yet having slightly better top speed performance.

a sort of quid pro quo of sorts with more reasons to have it than just a paint job.
just give it the same standard silver finish the P-38L has except have olive drab anti glare panels instead  


please consider it HTC
I'm very interested in seeing the P-38J for the speed reasons mostly but also for the lack of roll rate and dive recovery flaps.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2000, 10:01:00 PM »
btw P-38J 9mph faster at 5k (369vs360) and 6mph faster at 26k (414vs420) than P-38L

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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2000, 10:26:00 PM »
It's like A6 vs A8 eh?

Offline Citabria

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2000, 10:38:00 PM »
exactly nath!
exactly the dynamic of the J vs L.

the merits of the addition of the P-38J are equal to the addition of the 190a5, 109g2 and 109g6. they all have a trade off of maneuverability, firepower or speed.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2000, 10:58:00 PM »
And how about freezing problems in engines with J above 20k?  
Will those be modelled also?  

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2000, 11:05:00 PM »
Im all for it Citabria!  

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2000, 06:32:00 AM »
Hehe. Count me in on that (and the A6)

 

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2000, 08:08:00 AM »
My guess is that the higher roll rate of the 38L more than compensates for the weight and speed difference.  However, I think it would be amusing to hear the reactions of 38J pilots after they compress and lawn dart.  Bring it on.  

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2000, 09:00:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Fishu:
And how about freezing problems in engines with J above 20k?  
Will those be modelled also?  

That was the pilot. The engines overheated. The turbos blew up. And the J fixed most of it. Well...some of it.

Gimme a P-38J with Hamiltons. Or a P-38K. Either way.

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2000, 09:05:00 AM »
I think the engines overheated because the coolant froze?

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2000, 06:35:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by funked:
I think the engines overheated because the coolant froze?

I thought it was problems with an over lean mixture combined with partialy frozen coolant.

"Here I am at 30k, wallowing in the misery of the day. My toes are frozen purple, falling off, and my damn engine is boiling off." -- the P-38 hate song.

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2000, 08:30:00 PM »
did I mention the p-38J is the fastest?
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2000, 07:03:00 AM »
psst... -25-LO...  

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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2000, 08:28:00 AM »
As far as I know P-38K never went beyond testing, so why should it be modeled?

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2000, 08:45:00 AM »
because itz k3wl