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« on: August 14, 2000, 04:47:00 AM »
First of all let me say as a buff driver I can't wait for 1.04 and the Lancaster and the Ju-88.

Right now buffing has just become stale with only 2 options.  Bringing in the Lancaster will let the RAF Boys have their legendary bomber, and the Ju-88 will finally give the LW pilots a way to move larger amounts of mud.

But there still needs to be more variety in buffs.  So, without further Ado,  some other great WWII Buffs from all countries which would bring in more rides for the buffers, more targets for the fighters, and more planes for historical scenerios.

Buffs listed in alphabetical order, not order of importance.

Boeing B-29C Superfortress (USAAF 1944)
Max speed 357mph, Ceiling 37,000 bomb load 20,000 lbs.  Please don't give me the "But the B-29 should be a perk plane" routine,  Notice I'm asking for the C Model.  Sure I'd love the B as a perk Plane, as the B has 8 .50's in 4 automatic turrets and 2 .50's and a 20mm in the tail.  But the C is stripped of all the armaments except the guns in the tail.  This gives the buffer the fun option. Does he take the 29, and have as his only option to run if the going gets tough? or take the 17 and blast his way through.  (I'd even be willing to take a porked max ceiling on this bird so the fighters had a chance.  I've just always wanted to see it matched against the LW planes.)

Consolidated B-24 Liberator (USAAF 1941)  Max Speed 290 armed with 10 .50's in turrets that varied on maufacturer (would be a fun thing to choose at the loadout page) and a max bombload of 8000lbs.  Basically this is very similar to the 17, no surprise there, but variety is nice, and so is the respect to the airmen who served in this bird which seems to get forgotten in the 17's shadow.

Consolidated B-32 Dominator. (USAAF 1945 PERK PLANE, if the TA-152 enters service, us Buff Pilots want this, or the B-29B  
Max Speed 365 Ceiling 35,000 ft 20,000 Armed with 10 .50's this is basically an overgrown liberator with one massive tail instead of the liberator's distinctive twin tails.  Sure this is a plane that we'll never see, but something to keep in mind, more of these planes (115) saw action than Ta-152's (67, excluding development aircraft)

DeHavilland 98 Mosquito Mk. VI (RAF 1943)
Max Speed 425mph Ceiling 40,000ft, 4x .303 in the nose 2000lb bomb load.  I don't think I need to say anymore about the Mossie.  Though there are a few other varients that would be fun, such as the XVIII armed with 4x .303 and a lovely 57mm cannon and 8 60lb rockets                                                                            
Dornier Do 217E-2 (LW 1940)
Max Speed 320mph Ceiling 24,610ft 1 fixed 15mm mg in nose, 1 13mm mg in dorsal turret, 1 MG 131 in lower turret, 3 7.92mm flexible in nose.  4000kg bombload (8818lbs)  The Do-217 is probably best known in the J and N varients as night fighters, while the Do-17 is best known as a bomber.  But the Do-217E-2 flown as a bomber which is what it's design originally intended would give the LW pilots a plane to best match 17 in bombload, though they never did match armament and range.

Handley Page Hallifax MK III (RAF 1940)
Max Speed 312, Ceiling 24000ft  2 .303 Vickers in the nose turret, and 4x .303 in dorsal and tail turrets 8000lb bomb load.  Sure we don't have the Lancaster yet, but just as the B-24 faithfully served in the B-17's shadow, the Hallifax served in the Lancaster's shadow, but truely an excellent plane in it's own right.

Heinkel He-111H-3 (LW 1939)
Max Speed 258mph Ceiling 25,590ft 5 flexible MG15's plus 20mm cannon in nose turret. Fixed MG 17 in nose, and fixed 20mm cannon in tail (anyone getting a kill with this is a dang fine pilot that's for sure) 2000kg bombload (4410 lb)  Sure we don't have the Ju-88 yet, but this would be yet another bomber to recreate the Battle of Brittian with (assuming the fighter boys can get some Hurricane II's to shoot it down with) but it would also be a fun plane if the special add-ons ever got modeled, such as the 2 1,686 lb torpedoes, BV246 Glide Missiles, Fritz X Radio Controlled Glide Bombs   or 1 V-1 Cruise Missile.

Junkers Ju87D (LW 1940
Maximum Speed 242mph, ceiling 24,000ft, Armament in all 2mg 81's in rear turret, optional 2mg 17's, or 37mm Flak cannon, or 2 underwing WB81 Weapon Canisters each housing 6 MG 81 machine guns.  3968lb bombload.  I don't think there is any debate necessary, this plane is needed yes it is a sitting duck for most fighters, but due to the shear historical significance of this plane it can not be ommited.

Ilyushin Il-4 (USSR 1937)
Max Speed 255 Ceiling 32,808, 3 12.7mm MG, 1000kg bombload (2205lb).  The so called "Flying Tank" for it's legendary armoring, and it's ability to deal with German armor in close support role would fit in perfectly in the AH planeset.

Mitsubishi G4M3 (IJN 1942)
Max Speed 283 Ceiling 30,000, 3 7.7mm MG and 2 20mm cannon in turrets.  1000kg Bombload (2205lbs)  While not overly great at any one task (especially at staying alive thanks to poor armoring) The G4M is nonetheless important due to it's historical significance, and can take it's toll on enemy fighters with those cannons.

PZL P.37 LOS (Poland 1938)
Max Speed 273mph, Ceiling 19,685ft, 3 7.7mm MG, 5,688lb bombload.  Though it saw little service due to the quickness of the blitzkrieg, it was perhaps the most advanced bomber of it's day.  It would be a fun addition, and great to have some Polish steel to add to the mix.

Tupolev TB-3 Type 1936 (USSR 1936)
Top Speed 179mph, Ceiling 25,365, 4 7.62mg,  Probably the Brewster Buffalo for us buff pilots the TB-3 is probably more fameous in it's pre 1936 open cockpit version (from the famous footage of Russian paratroopers walking out on the wings and bailing off.)  Nonetheless it does have one major attraction, the ability to carry 12,790 pounds of bombs.  This could make the TB3 an interesting choice for those 3:00am HQ raids

Tupolev Tu-2 (USSR 1942)
Max Speed 342, Ceiling 31,168, 3 flexable 12.7mm MG, 2 fixed 20 or 23mm cannon.  6,615lb bomb load.  Great Medium bomber, relatively dourable, and able to deliver a large bombload.

Tupolov Tu-4 (USSR 1945)
Max speed 357mph, Ceiling 37,000 bomb load 20,000 lbs.  For those that say we can't have the B-29, give us the Tu-4    The Tu-4 is a copy of the B-29 made when one made an emegrency landing in Russia, just seeing if you are still awake  

Wow, if you made it here I congratulate you.  I didn't myself expect to write so much, but it is evident that there is a lot of potential out there for much more variety in bombers.  Will the B-17 still be taken most often? probably, but those of us who drive the 17 day after day, would like a little more spice in our lives, and these are the planes to do it.  Besides, it adds a bit more spice to the lives of the fighters too,  Which way again do you attack a G4M to avoid those cannon?  I know this is a long wish list, and I know there even isn't any naval attack planes on it (we need the naval units first) but hopefully we'll get a few more toys for us to play with.

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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2000, 06:27:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Skraut:
First of all let me say as a buff driver I can't wait for 1.04 and the Lancaster and the Ju-88.
Me neither  



Boeing B-29C Superfortress (USAAF 1944)
Max speed 357mph, Ceiling 37,000 bomb load 20,000 lbs.  Please don't give me the "But the B-29 should be a perk plane" routine,  Notice I'm asking for the C Model.  Sure I'd love the B as a perk Plane, as the B has 8 .50's in 4 automatic turrets and 2 .50's and a 20mm in the tail.  But the C is stripped of all the armaments except the guns in the tail.  This gives the buffer the fun option. Does he take the 29, and have as his only option to run if the going gets tough? or take the 17 and blast his way through.  (I'd even be willing to take a porked max ceiling on this bird so the fighters had a chance.  I've just always wanted to see it matched against the LW planes.)


Sorry Skraut...I say "perk plane"...a plane able to go up at 37.000 feet and do 357mph on a regular basis is a perk plane for me. Nothing in this planeset would be able to catch it clearly... only perk planes would be able to intercept it, so then I say that this one owns to the perk planeset.

Consolidated B-24 Liberator (USAAF 1941)  Max Speed 290 armed with 10 .50's in turrets that varied on maufacturer (would be a fun thing to choose at the loadout page) and a max bombload of 8000lbs.  Basically this is very similar to the 17, no surprise there, but variety is nice, and so is the respect to the airmen who served in this bird which seems to get forgotten in the 17's shadow.

Big. Ugly. Very numerous. Agree 100% with this one  

Consolidated B-32 Dominator. (USAAF 1945 PERK PLANE, if the TA-152 enters service, us Buff Pilots want this, or the B-29B    
Max Speed 365 Ceiling 35,000 ft 20,000 Armed with 10 .50's this is basically an overgrown liberator with one massive tail instead of the liberator's distinctive twin tails.  Sure this is a plane that we'll never see, but something to keep in mind, more of these planes (115) saw action than Ta-152's (67, excluding development aircraft)


how many B32s flew combat missions on WWII <Grin>   .
As a perk plane its ok...but I think that a B29 is much more adequate than B32 because of history.


DeHavilland 98 Mosquito Mk. VI (RAF 1943)
Max Speed 425mph Ceiling 40,000ft, 4x .303 in the nose 2000lb bomb load.  I don't think I need to say anymore about the Mossie.  Though there are a few other varients that would be fun, such as the XVIII armed with 4x .303 and a lovely 57mm cannon and 8 60lb rockets
                                       

Yup   Agree too with this one                                      


Dornier Do 217E-2 (LW 1940)
Max Speed 320mph Ceiling 24,610ft 1 fixed 15mm mg in nose, 1 13mm mg in dorsal turret, 1 MG 131 in lower turret, 3 7.92mm flexible in nose.  4000kg bombload (8818lbs)  The Do-217 is probably best known in the J and N varients as night fighters, while the Do-17 is best known as a bomber.  But the Do-217E-2 flown as a bomber which is what it's design originally intended would give the LW pilots a plane to best match 17 in bombload, though they never did match armament and range.


Of course this is IMO a must be in German planeset...Do217 was the best bomber in Luftwaffe between 1941-44 and saw action in big numbers. Agree 100%  

Handley Page Hallifax MK III (RAF 1940)
Max Speed 312, Ceiling 24000ft  2 .303 Vickers in the nose turret, and 4x .303 in dorsal and tail turrets 8000lb bomb load.  Sure we don't have the Lancaster yet, but just as the B-24 faithfully served in the B-17's shadow, the Hallifax served in the Lancaster's shadow, but truely an excellent plane in it's own right.


Well why not?...but I dont see much need for this one after Lanc comes...HAlifax is worse in all regards.

Heinkel He-111H-3 (LW 1939)
Max Speed 258mph Ceiling 25,590ft 5 flexible MG15's plus 20mm cannon in nose turret. Fixed MG 17 in nose, and fixed 20mm cannon in tail (anyone getting a kill with this is a dang fine pilot that's for sure) 2000kg bombload (4410 lb)  Sure we don't have the Ju-88 yet, but this would be yet another bomber to recreate the Battle of Brittian with (assuming the fighter boys can get some Hurricane II's to shoot it down with) but it would also be a fun plane if the special add-ons ever got modeled, such as the 2 1,686 lb torpedoes, BV246 Glide Missiles, Fritz X Radio Controlled Glide Bombs     or 1 V-1 Cruise Missile.


Woof...this would be the easiest bomber to down in the planeset...if Hurri,SpitI and 109E comes then its ok...but bring first the fighters,then the bombers  

Junkers Ju87D (LW 1940
Maximum Speed 242mph, ceiling 24,000ft, Armament in all 2mg 81's in rear turret, optional 2mg 17's, or 37mm Flak cannon, or 2 underwing WB81 Weapon Canisters each housing 6 MG 81 machine guns.  3968lb bombload.  I don't think there is any debate necessary, this plane is needed yes it is a sitting duck for most fighters, but due to the shear historical significance of this plane it can not be ommited.


Gotta disagree here, Divebomber Stuka is a wonderful addition...but I rather want a G model with 2 PaK37 37mm cannons  
Someone said "Tanker's nightmare"?  

Ilyushin Il-4 (USSR 1937)
Max Speed 255 Ceiling 32,808, 3 12.7mm MG, 1000kg bombload (2205lb).  The so called "Flying Tank" for it's legendary armoring, and it's ability to deal with German armor in close support role would fit in perfectly in the AH planeset.


Hummm thought it was called Il2...anyway bring it too  


Mitsubishi G4M3 (IJN 1942)
Max Speed 283 Ceiling 30,000, 3 7.7mm MG and 2 20mm cannon in turrets.  1000kg Bombload (2205lbs)  While not overly great at any one task (especially at staying alive thanks to poor armoring) The G4M is nonetheless important due to it's historical significance, and can take it's toll on enemy fighters with those cannons.


you want to see some people burning in MA dont you?  

PZL P.37 LOS (Poland 1938)
Max Speed 273mph, Ceiling 19,685ft, 3 7.7mm MG, 5,688lb bombload.  Though it saw little service due to the quickness of the blitzkrieg, it was perhaps the most advanced bomber of it's day.  It would be a fun addition, and great to have some Polish steel to add to the mix.


Sorry no info on this one

Tupolev TB-3 Type 1936 (USSR 1936)
Top Speed 179mph, Ceiling 25,365, 4 7.62mg,  Probably the Brewster Buffalo for us buff pilots the TB-3 is probably more fameous in it's pre 1936 open cockpit version (from the famous footage of Russian paratroopers walking out on the wings and bailing off.)  Nonetheless it does have one major attraction, the ability to carry 12,790 pounds of bombs.  This could make the TB3 an interesting choice for those 3:00am HQ raids


This was the ugliest bomber I've ever seen...

176mph? lol...sorry I dont see use for this piece of meat.

Tupolev Tu-2 (USSR 1942)
Max Speed 342, Ceiling 31,168, 3 flexable 12.7mm MG, 2 fixed 20 or 23mm cannon.  6,615lb bomb load.  Great Medium bomber, relatively dourable, and able to deliver a large bombload.

now we are talking about a REAL and dangerous bomber. Yes please!

Tupolev Tu-4 (USSR 1945)
Max speed 357mph, Ceiling 37,000 bomb load 20,000 lbs.  For those that say we can't have the B-29, give us the Tu-4      The Tu-4 is a copy of the B-29 made when one made an emegrency landing in Russia, just seeing if you are still awake    


Lol...dont come here with sneak moves...it is a B29...so it is a...PERK PLANE
 


All in all a wonderful list, Skraut...But I am missing the Pe2 and someone will say that Il10 is better choice than Il2 (Funked, here you go   )

Still I think that here is missing the Arado 234 (as perk, I guess...a bomber able to do 450mph is a perk   ),the Me110 and the He177.

And the italian Sparviero too (Italian guys...time to post some pics and specs on this one   )

Ah and dont forget...Brewster BUFFALO!!! (in finnish colours please)...yeah I know that its not a bomber...but well our finnish friends deserve a little present dont they?

(Camo, email me I'll give the adress for those beer boxes you owe me for this request     )

hehehe S! Skraut. Great post.


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-14-2000).]

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2000, 06:36:00 AM »
I want 'hem all!!!  

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2000, 08:47:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Skraut:
First of all let me say as a buff driver I can't wait for 1.04 and the Lancaster and the Ju-88.
Me neither    (Image removed from quote.)



Boeing B-29C Superfortress (USAAF 1944)
Max speed 357mph, Ceiling 37,000 bomb load 20,000 lbs.  Please don't give me the "But the B-29 should be a perk plane" routine,  Notice I'm asking for the C Model.  Sure I'd love the B as a perk Plane, as the B has 8 .50's in 4 automatic turrets and 2 .50's and a 20mm in the tail.  But the C is stripped of all the armaments except the guns in the tail.  This gives the buffer the fun option. Does he take the 29, and have as his only option to run if the going gets tough? or take the 17 and blast his way through.  (I'd even be willing to take a porked max ceiling on this bird so the fighters had a chance.  I've just always wanted to see it matched against the LW planes.)


Sorry Skraut...I say "perk plane"...a plane able to go up at 37.000 feet and do 357mph on a regular basis is a perk plane for me. Nothing in this planeset would be able to catch it clearly... only perk planes would be able to intercept it, so then I say that this one owns to the perk planeset.

Consolidated B-24 Liberator (USAAF 1941)  Max Speed 290 armed with 10 .50's in turrets that varied on maufacturer (would be a fun thing to choose at the loadout page) and a max bombload of 8000lbs.  Basically this is very similar to the 17, no surprise there, but variety is nice, and so is the respect to the airmen who served in this bird which seems to get forgotten in the 17's shadow.

Big. Ugly. Very numerous. Agree 100% with this one    (Image removed from quote.)

Consolidated B-32 Dominator. (USAAF 1945 PERK PLANE, if the TA-152 enters service, us Buff Pilots want this, or the B-29B    
Max Speed 365 Ceiling 35,000 ft 20,000 Armed with 10 .50's this is basically an overgrown liberator with one massive tail instead of the liberator's distinctive twin tails.  Sure this is a plane that we'll never see, but something to keep in mind, more of these planes (115) saw action than Ta-152's (67, excluding development aircraft)


how many B32s flew combat missions on WWII <Grin>    (Image removed from quote.).
As a perk plane its ok...but I think that a B29 is much more adequate than B32 because of history.


DeHavilland 98 Mosquito Mk. VI (RAF 1943)
Max Speed 425mph Ceiling 40,000ft, 4x .303 in the nose 2000lb bomb load.  I don't think I need to say anymore about the Mossie.  Though there are a few other varients that would be fun, such as the XVIII armed with 4x .303 and a lovely 57mm cannon and 8 60lb rockets
                                       

Yup    (Image removed from quote.) Agree too with this one    (Image removed from quote.)                                    


Dornier Do 217E-2 (LW 1940)
Max Speed 320mph Ceiling 24,610ft 1 fixed 15mm mg in nose, 1 13mm mg in dorsal turret, 1 MG 131 in lower turret, 3 7.92mm flexible in nose.  4000kg bombload (8818lbs)  The Do-217 is probably best known in the J and N varients as night fighters, while the Do-17 is best known as a bomber.  But the Do-217E-2 flown as a bomber which is what it's design originally intended would give the LW pilots a plane to best match 17 in bombload, though they never did match armament and range.


Of course this is IMO a must be in German planeset...Do217 was the best bomber in Luftwaffe between 1941-44 and saw action in big numbers. Agree 100%    (Image removed from quote.)

Handley Page Hallifax MK III (RAF 1940)
Max Speed 312, Ceiling 24000ft  2 .303 Vickers in the nose turret, and 4x .303 in dorsal and tail turrets 8000lb bomb load.  Sure we don't have the Lancaster yet, but just as the B-24 faithfully served in the B-17's shadow, the Hallifax served in the Lancaster's shadow, but truely an excellent plane in it's own right.


Well why not?...but I dont see much need for this one after Lanc comes...HAlifax is worse in all regards.

Heinkel He-111H-3 (LW 1939)
Max Speed 258mph Ceiling 25,590ft 5 flexible MG15's plus 20mm cannon in nose turret. Fixed MG 17 in nose, and fixed 20mm cannon in tail (anyone getting a kill with this is a dang fine pilot that's for sure) 2000kg bombload (4410 lb)  Sure we don't have the Ju-88 yet, but this would be yet another bomber to recreate the Battle of Brittian with (assuming the fighter boys can get some Hurricane II's to shoot it down with) but it would also be a fun plane if the special add-ons ever got modeled, such as the 2 1,686 lb torpedoes, BV246 Glide Missiles, Fritz X Radio Controlled Glide Bombs     or 1 V-1 Cruise Missile.


Woof...this would be the easiest bomber to down in the planeset...if Hurri,SpitI and 109E comes then its ok...but bring first the fighters,then the bombers    (Image removed from quote.)

Junkers Ju87D (LW 1940
Maximum Speed 242mph, ceiling 24,000ft, Armament in all 2mg 81's in rear turret, optional 2mg 17's, or 37mm Flak cannon, or 2 underwing WB81 Weapon Canisters each housing 6 MG 81 machine guns.  3968lb bombload.  I don't think there is any debate necessary, this plane is needed yes it is a sitting duck for most fighters, but due to the shear historical significance of this plane it can not be ommited.


Gotta disagree here, Divebomber Stuka is a wonderful addition...but I rather want a G model with 2 PaK37 37mm cannons    (Image removed from quote.)
Someone said "Tanker's nightmare"?    (Image removed from quote.)

Ilyushin Il-4 (USSR 1937)
Max Speed 255 Ceiling 32,808, 3 12.7mm MG, 1000kg bombload (2205lb).  The so called "Flying Tank" for it's legendary armoring, and it's ability to deal with German armor in close support role would fit in perfectly in the AH planeset.


Hummm thought it was called Il2...anyway bring it too    (Image removed from quote.)


Mitsubishi G4M3 (IJN 1942)
Max Speed 283 Ceiling 30,000, 3 7.7mm MG and 2 20mm cannon in turrets.  1000kg Bombload (2205lbs)  While not overly great at any one task (especially at staying alive thanks to poor armoring) The G4M is nonetheless important due to it's historical significance, and can take it's toll on enemy fighters with those cannons.


you want to see some people burning in MA dont you?    (Image removed from quote.)

PZL P.37 LOS (Poland 1938)
Max Speed 273mph, Ceiling 19,685ft, 3 7.7mm MG, 5,688lb bombload.  Though it saw little service due to the quickness of the blitzkrieg, it was perhaps the most advanced bomber of it's day.  It would be a fun addition, and great to have some Polish steel to add to the mix.


Sorry no info on this one

Tupolev TB-3 Type 1936 (USSR 1936)
Top Speed 179mph, Ceiling 25,365, 4 7.62mg,  Probably the Brewster Buffalo for us buff pilots the TB-3 is probably more fameous in it's pre 1936 open cockpit version (from the famous footage of Russian paratroopers walking out on the wings and bailing off.)  Nonetheless it does have one major attraction, the ability to carry 12,790 pounds of bombs.  This could make the TB3 an interesting choice for those 3:00am HQ raids


This was the ugliest bomber I've ever seen...

176mph? lol...sorry I dont see use for this piece of meat.

Tupolev Tu-2 (USSR 1942)
Max Speed 342, Ceiling 31,168, 3 flexable 12.7mm MG, 2 fixed 20 or 23mm cannon.  6,615lb bomb load.  Great Medium bomber, relatively dourable, and able to deliver a large bombload.

now we are talking about a REAL and dangerous bomber. Yes please!

Tupolev Tu-4 (USSR 1945)
Max speed 357mph, Ceiling 37,000 bomb load 20,000 lbs.  For those that say we can't have the B-29, give us the Tu-4      The Tu-4 is a copy of the B-29 made when one made an emegrency landing in Russia, just seeing if you are still awake    


Lol...dont come here with sneak moves...it is a B29...so it is a...PERK PLANE
   (Image removed from quote.)


All in all a wonderful list, Skraut...But I am missing the Pe2 and someone will say that Il10 is better choice than Il2 (Funked, here you go    (Image removed from quote.))

Still I think that here is missing the Arado 234 (as perk, I guess...a bomber able to do 450mph is a perk    (Image removed from quote.)),the Me110 and the He177.

And the italian Sparviero too (Italian guys...time to post some pics and specs on this one    (Image removed from quote.))

Ah and dont forget...Brewster BUFFALO!!! (in finnish colours please)...yeah I know that its not a bomber...but well our finnish friends deserve a little present dont they?

(Camo, email me I'll give the adress for those beer boxes you owe me for this request    (Image removed from quote.)    (Image removed from quote.))

hehehe S! Skraut. Great post.


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-14-2000).][/B]

Well from the begining the B-29 was meant to fly above and faster then most of it's intercepters (The turrents weren't much of an improvement over swivels, but the lack of drag made them much more diserable, along with pressurized cabins. Normal mission ceiling was 32k.

Far as B-24's go, bring on the Privateer  
Saw quite a bit of service in the PTO.

Privateer was a navy version of the B-24 with blister turrents, rather then waist positions (same effect really, just powered and less drag) and of course the single vertical stablizer.

As it stands right now...once we get some more axis bombers I guess, I'd like to see a A-20, A-26, PV-2 Harpoon, Pe-2, Fw200, and a B-50  

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2000, 01:17:00 PM »
You got the armament of the Il-2 wrong. It's not 3x 12.7mm machine guns. It's...

 
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Il-2 Type 3 Armaments [standard]:
2x 23mm VYa cannons w/300 rounds per gun
2x 7.62mm ShKAS machine guns w/750 rounds per gun
1x 12.7mm UBT machine gun w/250 rounds

plus
750kg of bombs
4x RS-82mm or
4x RS-132mm

As taken from: http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/il-2.html


Now how much you wanna bet this puppy starts a whine war from the BUFF drivers? "That 23mm is overmodeled!!"...nope, it's not. It'll punch through 25mm of armor plate steel at 400 yards. Average shooting distance here.


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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2000, 01:59:00 PM »
I think I am gonna be paying customer just for Ju-88  

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2000, 02:10:00 PM »
Thanks for the compliments RAM, I had thought about the Italian Sparviero, and some of the other Italian bombers, but they just didn't neem to have anything that couldn't be done better in one of the other bombers I listed.  Anyway here's some stats

Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79 II Sparviero (Italy 1939)
Max Speed 270mph, Ceiling 23,300, 1 12.7mm MG fixed forward 1 flexible 12.7mm mg, and one fliexible 7.7mm mg, 2,200lb bombload.  This is the Tri-Motor version There also is the S.M.79B which is only 2 engines, max speed of 255mph, but able to carry 2,640lbs It looses the fixed forward gun, and adds another flexible one in the nose.  And there's the S.M.79-JR built and operated by the Romanians.  It had the 2 engine configuration but replaced the Alfa-Romeo engines with Junker Jumo 211 inverted-vee-12 liquid cooled engines giving it a top speed of 276mph with the same bombload and armament as the B model.

Anyway, here's some more info on the Polish PZL P.37 Los
 http://ornak.waw.pdi.net/~robertp/history/sept39/p37.html
 http://ornak.waw.pdi.net/~robertp/history/sept39/p37spec.html

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2000, 02:25:00 PM »
 
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Thanks for the compliments RAM, I had thought about the Italian Sparviero, and some of the other Italian bombers, but they just didn't neem to have anything that couldn't be done better in one of the other bombers I listed

3 torpedoes, Skraut...may not seem anything now, but when the ships come ...

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2000, 02:33:00 PM »
Gotta disagree on this one:

 
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Mitsubishi G4M3 (IJN 1942)
Max Speed 283 Ceiling 30,000, 3 7.7mm MG and 2 20mm cannon in turrets. 1000kg Bombload (2205lbs) While not overly great at any one task (especially at staying alive thanks to poor armoring) The G4M is nonetheless important due to it's historical significance, and can take it's toll on enemy fighters with those cannons.

The G4M would be a never used death trap.

I think that the H8K2 "Emily" would be a much better choice.  It would give the Axis a tough, four engined bomber with heavy defensive fire (5 20mm cannon).

Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily"

H8K2
Dimensions:
Span 38.00 m
Length 28.13 m
Height 9.15 m
Wing area 160.0 m2
Weights:
Empty 18,380 kg
Loaded 24,500 kg
Maximum 32,500 kg
Wing loading 153.1 kg/m2
Power loading 3.3 kg/hp
Performance:
Maximum speed 252 kt at 5,000 m
Cruising speed 160 kt at 4,000 m
Climb to 5,000 m in 10 min 12 sec
Service ceiling 8,850 m
Maximum range 3,862 naut miles
Armament:
20 mm Type 99 Model 1 cannon in bow, dorsal and tail turrets and two beam hatches, and 7.7 mm Type 92 machine-guns in ventral, port and starboard fuselage sides and cockpit hatches (H8K2, H8K3 and H8K4)
External load: two 800 kg torpedoes, or eight 250 kg bombs, or sixteen 60 kg bombs or depth-charges (H8K1 to H8K4)
Powerplant:
Four Mitsubishi MK4Q Kasei 22 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radials, rated at 1,850 hp for take-off, 1,680 hp at 2,100 m and 1,540 hp at 5,500 m, driving four-blade metal propellers (H8K2, H8K2-L and H8K3)
Accommodation:
Crew of ten (H8K1 to H8K4). Crew of nine and 29 passengers or 64 troops (H8K2-L)
Description:
Four-engined long-range maritime reconnaissance flying-boat (H8K1 to H8K4) or transport flying-boat (H8K2-L). All-metal construction


Some clarification on the Mossie:

 
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DeHavilland 98 Mosquito Mk. VI (RAF 1943)
Max Speed 425mph Ceiling 40,000ft, 4x .303 in the nose 2000lb bomb load. I don't think I need to say anymore about the Mossie. Though there are a few other varients that would be fun, such as the XVIII armed with 4x .303 and a lovely 57mm cannon and 8 60lb rockets.

The Mk FB.VI was armed with 4 20mm cannon and 4 .303 machine guns and had a top speed of 380mph.
The bomber versions were all unarmed, a good choice would be the Mk B.IX.  The B.IX carried a single 4,000lb "Cookie" and had a top speed of 425mph.
The Mk NF.XXX would be a great late war Mossie.

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