Author Topic: Fw 190F-8!!! (Read 1223 times)

funked · « **Reply #15 on:** February 07, 2001, 02:29:00 PM »

HMMMMMM The screenshot looks a LOT like the paint scheme I asked for (pictured at the top of the thread). WTG Nate!

I think all we need is the swirly deal on the prop spinner. And don't forget the options for centerline ER4 or the /U1 version!

Staga · « **Reply #16 on:** February 07, 2001, 04:17:00 PM »

Ei tullu Kala apassia

ra · « **Reply #17 on:** February 07, 2001, 04:54:00 PM »

It's good to get another plane, but the Luftwabblies should have pressed for the Dora first. The F-8 just gives the LW a slightly better ground attack ability. Most targets in AH require either a 500kg bomb, or else they can just be strafed. Many of the cool weapons this plane can carry will be less effective against ground targets than strafing is. What can you use a 50kg bomb for? In the MA, it will always be better to use U.S. or British iron for serious jabo work.

On the other hand, the Dora can bring a 500kg bomb (about 66% of the F-8 max load) to the target faster than the F-8, and then be more of an air to air threat than the F-8 once it has dropped its bomb.

One more thing: if this plane is better in air to air than the A-8 is then the A-8 will see even less use than it already does. If the A-8 is better air to air, then the F-8 may be a hangar queen. MA only of course, I'm not talking about scenarios where we need every plane type we can get. I'm sure we'll get the Dora in the not-to-distant future, but the LW needs it now more than it needs the F-8.

ra

NATEDOG · « **Reply #18 on:** February 07, 2001, 05:14:00 PM »

oops! I forgot the swirl on the prop....... man those guys that restored that plane got the colors all wrong. you would think they would do some more research. They even had the right paint numbers! I compared them to the Lufwaffe color chart, and put them on this plane. enjoy!

Pongo · « **Reply #19 on:** February 07, 2001, 05:57:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu:
We're more likely to see AH-64 with radar hellfires than Fw190 groundpounders..

Never underestimate the power of a huge chip on your shoulder.

funked · « **Reply #20 on:** February 07, 2001, 06:21:00 PM »

Ra keep reading bud. Fw 190F-8/U1 max load is 1000 kg.

funked · « **Reply #21 on:** February 07, 2001, 06:26:00 PM »

Nate the Smithsonian's book on the plane (I'm guessing you have it too). It says 70 and 75 on top and 76 on the bottom. Looking at a Luftwaffe color reference I have, your paint job looks closer to those colors than the NASM paint job does in the photos in the book.

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RAM · « **Reply #22 on:** February 07, 2001, 06:28:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funked:
Ra keep reading bud. Fw 190F-8/U1 max load is 1000 kg.

and some versions could carry the SC1800

wich,BTW weighted 1800kg...

huhm...and that is...1800x2.2=3760lbs!!!

(woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooohooooooooooooo!!

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funked · « **Reply #23 on:** February 07, 2001, 06:36:00 PM »

RAM that required modifications to the landing gear and special takeoff distance requirements IIRC.

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ra · « **Reply #24 on:** February 07, 2001, 07:38:00 PM »

<<<Ra keep reading bud. Fw 190F-8/U1 max load is 1000 kg.>>>

Hmm, William Green's book says the F8/U1 was a 2-seat trainer version which was never built, though his book is not always in agreement with other sources. He also writes that many of the F8/U versions were only experimental and never produced, or only saw a few combat trials. It seems like they just mounted any bomb or rocket they found lying around on the thing and gave it a whirl. I think they even tried dropping pianos on allied tanks at one point.

What version of F8 do we have here? We've all seen the drawings of the salad-bar ordinance options this thing had, but what was actually used in combat? My main complaint about the Chog, like many others here, is that only a relative few saw combat so it shouldn't have been modeled because it overshadows the F4U-1D, which was built in large numbers. If a few 190-F8's were modified to carry 1000kg of bombs, IMHO that loadout should not be modeled. There should be some 'standardized' loadout options, like 3x250kg, or 1x500kg and 4x50kg, or 1x500kg and some 20mm cannon pods. It's hard to standardize, though, because this thing had so many field mods. But if we get every type of ord this thing was tested with, it will become a kind of Chog-- why fly the A-8 when you have the F-8 with all the Star Wars options, even though such ord was rarely if ever used in combat?

ra

funked · « **Reply #25 on:** February 07, 2001, 07:54:00 PM »

F-8/U1 replaced the G-8 in production and was nearly identical. These were mass produced. They generally used either a centerline DT + 2 wing bombs or a centerline bomb + 2 wing DT, but for short range missions the 2 x 250 kg + 1 x 500 kg loadout could be used.

I agree with you about the rare stuff, like the gun pods and rockets. But the high-capacity wing pylons were not a one-off-wonder.

And I'm pretty sure the already overweight 190 is going to be dog with 1000 kg of bombs. So it's not going to be something like the Chog or Typhoon which can haul bellybutton with full ordnance.

StSanta · « **Reply #26 on:** February 07, 2001, 07:59:00 PM »

funked:

<SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH>

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Pongo · « **Reply #27 on:** February 07, 2001, 08:15:00 PM »

The colours are very nice. I would say your rlm 70(black green) is more like an rlm71(olive green) but very nice...
he he
cockpit!
cockpit!

RAM · « **Reply #28 on:** February 07, 2001, 08:53:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funked:
F-8/U1 replaced the G-8 in production and was nearly identical. These were mass produced. They generally used either a centerline DT + 2 wing bombs or a centerline bomb + 2 wing DT, but for short range missions the 2 x 250 kg + 1 x 500 kg loadout could be used.

SC1000 1000kg bomb (2200lbs) could be carried without great problems. SC1800 needed strengthening of the landing gear IIRC, but SC1000 didnt.

I have a couple of photograps of Fw190F8s carrying 1000kg bombs...but I cant get the friggin scanner to work

ra · « **Reply #29 on:** February 07, 2001, 09:28:00 PM »

Regarding the 190F8/U1, I've been searching the web for more information and all I can find is one site which agrees with Green's book, that it was a trainer version:
http://www.ophetweb.nl/ww2w/ww2htmls/fockfw190.html

All other sites which mention it seem to be directly quoting Baugher's site, or maybe he is quoting someone else's.

Either way, I think Green had it right, the 190F8/U1 was a trainer, like the 190A8/U1.

Some versions of the F8 seem pretty awesome, like the R13, a night fighter-bomber with 1500kg external stores. But these 'R' and 'U' versions were built in tiny numbers and saw little or no combat.

The problem with the 190F8 (and this may be why HTC hesitated to add it) is that there is no standard version, so deciding what loadout options to give it was probably tough. Since the F8 is just an improved F1-F3, it was probably designed to carry 1 500kg bomb and 4 50 kg bombs, though many were modified to carry 250kg bombs instead of the 50kg bombs. So a reasonable max loadout would be 3x250kg bombs or 1 500kg and 2 250kg with no cannons. Plus options for rockets or cannon pods. Just my opinion.

ra