Thoughts on the P-47M

[uptown]

I think the 152 will give it a run for it's money up there above the clouds. It should prove to be some damn good fights up there between these 2 planes  

[usvi]

I think the 152 will give it a run for it's money up there above the clouds. It should prove to be some damn good fights up there between these 2 planes  

So will the F4u4.

[Lusche]

I think the 152 will give it a run for it's money up there above the clouds.

[smoe]

 

I joined a 1v1 fight with a K-4 the other day. The K-4 enemy pilot did one of those zoom and boom runs on a friendly pilot and finished with a vertical climb to escape. Normally I would NOT climb with one, but I just happen to be in a 47M with about 300-350 knots. I decided to see what this baby (47M) can do. Normally the K-4 would out climb anything, but not this day. I WEP’d up the 47M and had no problems catching the K-4 in a long vertical climb. By the time the K-9 rolled out of the climb I managed to get within 400 yards closing distance while maintaining a steady 200 knots. Let’s just say the K-9 pilot didn’t land any kills that sortie with my 8-50’s pointing at him.

Whatch out K-4 pilots, you have a new kid on the block.

I also had skirmishes with 152’s and a F4U-4 while flying the 47M. The 2-3 152’s got a few hits on me each time, but I laughed it off after accelerating away. I had an interesting fight with a -4 pilot near the deck. The -4 pilot and I HO’d each other 3 times in a row. Neither of us scored more than a few scratches on the other. The 47M had no problems turning with the -4. After the three passes I decided to end the fight and accelerated towards a home base. I don’t think the -4 pilot was very experienced, but what a nice encounter.

Also, the 47M reminds me a little of my Blue V8 1998 Lincoln Continental. It rides nice and smooth with a little extra horsepower in reserve.

[Westy]

"So will the F4u4."

Oh yeah.  I forgot about the fantasy-land aspect of AH. 

[Squire]

Ya, those F4U-4s had a rep for being quite slow and underpowered. 

[crazyivan]

To many running p47s  last night if you ask me ! vulch, vulch ohh noes  a plane co alt! AHHHHHH.

[MORAY37]

So far, not impressed.

Just another plane that folks run away in.  Get co-alt in anything, they drop the nose and run.  For all the posts that say how wonderful a fighter it is...I've yet to see more than one pilot actually dogfight in it.  I posted 5 kills against it in a couple hours, versus 2 deaths from 47M's that screamed in with 8K+ alt advantages.....

I guess, I'm not impressed by the way they're flying it, in all fairness. 

The plane is probably great.  I mean, the 39th American ride (29th? aircraft) in the set and all......something to be said for that.  <shrug>

[BnZs]

Lusche, the Ta-152's real strength, amazing E retention under Gs, doesn't show up on the chart. P-51Ds aren't usually that hard with the Ta-152, so I doubt P-47Ms will be. I mean, I like this thing alot, but when I think about it objectively, the 47M still isn't faster than a Pony below 12K where most of the action is, and it still doesn't climb like a 38.

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[BnZs]

what do you think anaxogoras the FW a-7 and a-9? not sure what the criteria is though ...

The only two additions that could possibly make me happier than the P-47M...but hell, I'd take an A-5 that wasn't too slow...

as far as the juggs go they should be a great k/d choice as the juggs flown to their strengths should be untouchable.  it dominates the high ground, can pick it's fights, and extend from anything co e with the possible exception of the jet and rocket.

the juggs should rule.

Thats an exaggeration. The M is actually a little slower than the P-51D below 12K, where conservatively 80-90% of the action takes place. Its easy to say a plane should be "untouchable", but to actually kill something more than every once in a blue moon in you can't confine yourself to 500mph passes and zooms, you've got to actually maneuver, and thus become vulnerable to other bandits.

[gatt]

I think they put it in because they already have a P-47 model to work off of, and they just had to change the performance. So, we atleast had a new plane with the new version, instead of just a bunch of fixed bugs.

Or becouse you get/keep customers only with very late war monsters for the late war arena .... ?
Obviously it carries more $$$ than filling the gaps in the scenarios plane set (He111, Dornier 17, Fiat G.55, SM.79, medium RAF bombers, Macchi C.200 ...) and/or redoing late '90's cockpit graphics.
Wheres the old good rolling eyes? 

[The Fugitive]

So far, not impressed.

Just another plane that folks run away in.  Get co-alt in anything, they drop the nose and run.  For all the posts that say how wonderful a fighter it is...I've yet to see more than one pilot actually dogfight in it.  I posted 5 kills against it in a couple hours, versus 2 deaths from 47M's that screamed in with 8K+ alt advantages.....

I guess, I'm not impressed by the way they're flying it, in all fairness. 

The plane is probably great.  I mean, the 39th American ride (29th? aircraft) in the set and all......something to be said for that.  <shrug>

That what the game needs, some gizmo that make people fight ! Kinda like the James Bond movie with the game of "World domination". Instead of the voltage going up the more you loose, it should climb the more you run 

[thorsim]

or a8 that wasn't too heavy  ...

i think it just comes down to discipline you may not get all the kills you want but you are still untouchable in your envelope, high and fast only the rocket and maybe the ta152 should pose a threat to a disciplined p47 driver who maintains SA and sticks to his envelope. that is TRW of course, i am not that experienced with the AH set.

up really high the jug is still actually "flying" while all but a couple are wallowing around just managing to stay afloat.

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The only two additions that could possibly make me happier than the P-47M...but hell, I'd take an A-5 that wasn't too slow...

Thats an exaggeration. The M is actually a little slower than the P-51D below 12K, where conservatively 80-90% of the action takes place. Its easy to say a plane should be "untouchable", but to actually kill something more than every once in a blue moon in you can't confine yourself to 500mph passes and zooms, you've got to actually maneuver, and thus become vulnerable to other bandits.

[Saxman]

Well, finally had a chance to run into a couple 47Ms today. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get TOO much of an impression from them in the couple encounters I had, as they were large furballs where I couldn't really slow down to mix it up with them. Only landed a couple snapshots on the tail feathers of two with my 1A (although to give some credit to the 47M, against the other Jugs it probably would have been a nice full-plane shot into their wings or cockpit as they turned across my sights). Oddly, I didn't knock any pieces off but I still got the kills on BOTH.

[Widewing]

This is one thing that needs to be fixed then.  It shouldn't be able to sustain 493 mph in level flight.  That's around 20 mph faster than any documented test.  To be honest, I haven't done too much testing of the Jug at those types of altitudes, but there was an RPM limit on the turbo that would basically be exceeded if you ran WOT at that altitude.  Ironically, critical altitude in the Jug was basically set by the turbo RPM limit, and not because the turbo ran out of schlitz.

The M can't sustain that speed at all. I've tested it from 40k down to sea level. At 40k, it will maintain 446 mph. 455 mph at 38k. At 32k, it will maintain 477 mph TAS. 368 mph at sea level, 401 mph at 10k. Acceleration at sea level isn't stunning, it's still a big, heavy fighter. Nonetheless, it is about equal to the Yak-9U from 150 to 250 mph.


My regards,

Widewing