Author Topic: the Blitz? (Read 412 times)

Nefarious · « **on:** January 29, 2001, 01:50:00 PM »

Today was the first day i saw the pics, I have mixed reactions..

first of all i wasnt expecting the Ar234 to be the first jetpowered aircraft in the game. I was expecting the Me262 to be first. But thats not what bothers me.

1. Low level Attack has lost its effect in Aces High now.
instead of bieng easy meat in your Tiffie or chog you can execute precision drops from 15 or 20k going really fast avoiding the ack ack...its like taking candy from a baby.

2. Im not sure about the range or loiter time for the Blitz, but it cant be too high. If a skirmish was going on between to close bases this is where the Blitz would shine. Short range attack is the main purpose of the Blitz as i see it. Waves and waves of Blitz bombers attacking an airfield would be the coup de grace for any vulnerable airfield.

3.Why model the blitz so early in the development of AH?

we still dont have half the aircraft I would like to fly in AH...

Hurricane
F4F Wildcat
Me110
Ju87
Douglas Dauntless
He111
Fw190D9
P51B/C
P47 Razorback version
IL2
More Carrier based Japanese Attack Aircraft

Maybe im just ranting but dont you think its a little too early for jet powerd aircraft?

I know i dont work for HitechCreations or anything but I would just wait and release a large Jet powered aircraft set which would contain...

Me262
Ar234
P59 Airacomet
F80
F86
Banshee
Panther
MiG15
Hawker Hunter

feel free too comment on anything i stated because i want to know what everyone else thinks about the blitz too..

Jimdandy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »

I would much rather it have been several other planes than the Ar 234. I would much rather have seen the He 177 as a non perk to add to the LW iron. But I'm not complaining to much because more planes are what I want most. So as long as it's not an F-86 or a Mig 15 I'm happy. I personally hope those planes NEVER reach the WWII MA. They were truly Korean war. Now if we get a Korean arena that would be fine. For a perk bomber I would have liked to have seen the B-29 first. For a perk fighter I would like to see the 262 first. As I said I really wont squeak to much as long as we get more planes. It's just a preference.

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2001, 02:11:00 PM »

The Ar234 is one of only two truely eligible perk bombers. So it was either the Ar234 or yet another American aircraft in the form of the B-29A. The fact that it is a jet is really immaterial.

I think HTC made the correct choice.

Me262 We'll see this one.
Ar234 We'll see this in 1.06.
P-59 Airacomet I don't know that this was ever intended as a combat aircraft.
P-80 I think we'll see this eventually.
F-86 I sure hope we never see this. It is in no way a WWII aircraft.
Banshee I am not familar with this one.
Panther I am not familar with this one.
MiG15 I sure hope we never see this. It is in no way a WWII aircraft.
Hawker Hunter I am not familar with this one.

Meteor MkIII I think we'll see this eventually.
He162 Salamander I think we'll see this eventually.

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Nefarious · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2001, 02:19:00 PM »

Well of course thier would be another arena for these Korean War era aircraft...

Panthers and Banshees were US Navy Aircraft that flew during Korea

and the Hawker Hunter was a British Jet fighter..

Face it, if the game is going to develop you have to add Korean War era aircraft be it in another arena or something...

wait till AH makes a F8 Crusader and a MiG17!! OH BOY!!

F4UDOA · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2001, 03:53:00 PM »

Heya,

Before you start wondering when the AH Vietnam plane set will be ready lets get the WW2 plane set done.

1. Low level Attack has lost its effect in Aces High now.
instead of being easy meat in your Tiffie or chog you can execute precision drops from 15 or 20k going really fast avoiding the ack ack...its like taking candy from a baby.

The Arado Blitz is a 460MPH bomber. Time over target for percision bombing will be difficult at best. You must be around 200MPH for any kind of accurate grouping of bombs.

2. Im not sure about the range or loiter time for the Blitz, but it cant be too high. If a skirmish was going on between to close bases this is where the Blitz would shine. Short range attack is the main purpose of the Blitz as i see it. Waves and waves of Blitz bombers attacking an airfield would be the coup de grace for any vulnerable airfield.

This is a "perk" plane. Therefore you will only see them interspersed with the rest of the planeset. I doubt you will ever see a wave of Blitz's.

As far as your other A/C you would like to see, we all have our list. Don't expect to see too many early war birds. With no rolling plane set they will just turn into hanger queens alla the C202. No need for that.

I predict the next A/C to enter the plane set that will affect AH will be the attack planes.

Mosquito
ME410
IL-2 Sturmovich
A-26

This is an entire genre of A/C that have been ignored up until now.

Nefarious · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2001, 04:26:00 PM »

It has a bomb sight right?

well then it can drop bombs accuratley...

and even though most of the early war aircraft would be "hangar queens" you still have the devoted pilots that would fly the older aircraft not to mention for the event scenarios.

I dont have a subscrip to AH (yet) but correct me if im wrong..

flying aircraft that are hardly used enables your points to go up therefore flying a wildcat or a slurricane would make your points skyrocket for each kill you got?

and plus about those waves of 234s This will probably be the most sought after perk aircraft until the next jet aircraft release....

funked · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2001, 04:28:00 PM »

I don't think everybody realizes what a DOG this plane is going to be with anything more than the standard 500 kg bombload.

RAM · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2001, 04:33:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funked:
I don't think everybody realizes what a DOG this plane is going to be with anything more than the standard 500 kg bombload.

Standard bombload was 3 500kg, or 1 1000kg+2x250kg funked

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2001, 05:37:00 PM »

It IS gonna be a dog with the 1500kg bombload, standard or not. The topspeed with this load was 373mph at 23K due to the drag from the external bombs.

This makes the plane far from as invulnerable as seems to be believed here. At least when IB on target.

Westy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2001, 06:08:00 PM »

"It has a bomb sight right?
well then it can drop bombs accuratley..."

In the case of this "Blitz" I firmly beleive success with it will be due to the ability of the pilot and NOT the bombsight.

-westy

flakbait · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2001, 11:55:00 PM »

[from my post "Interesting Predicament"]

I was over at the IJA section of www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org reading about the Ki-45. When I was reading about that plane I noticed a lot of information was missing. Which prompted me to post this. USAAF aircraft have extensive documentation, LW aircraft do too but to a lesser extent. Russian aircraft are fairly well stocked with info as well. Japanese planes, I've noticed, have a distinct lack of data available about them.

This made me wonder if our bout with the load of US equipment had a reason behind it. Since USAAF aircraft generally have more info available about them, wouldn't it make sense to do those planes first? After all, AH has more updates than any other sim. And we do holler long and loud about new aircraft that are added. Whether it's about the new plane itself, or other choices in place of that new plane. Now the expected question...

What aircraft should be done first? I don't mean periods, and I don't mean Perks. I mean countries. Which aircraft from a given country has the least amount of data avilable? Should those be done before or after aircraft with more info available? If they were done first, we'd have a whole new list of rare and unique planes available to fly. This has a downside of waiting longer for a given release, since it takes longer to do those planes.

By contrast, if they were done after the more prevelant planes we'd wait a loooooong time to see them. Again, I don't mean Uber-planes, or super-rare planes, just aircraft with hardly any data available on them. So do you get the harder work done first, or let it wait?

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brady · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2001, 01:37:00 AM »

Well said Karnak.]

Really I am very happy with the AR 234 It has always been a favorite of mine and really as karnak said it was either the B29 or the AR 234...TY AH for not adding another US plane.

Brady

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Tac · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2001, 07:11:00 AM »

Besides, its going to be a PERK plane. I'd rather have all those buff nuts burning all their perkies now than accumulating unholy amounts of it and terrorizing us later when the B29+nuke (as perk weapon) comes into the game (which I truly believe will happen).

Country Radio:"I need A1 closed, im close by in a goon I sneaked in"

MaDBomber: "Sure, gimme a sec"

*light brighter than a 1000 suns lits up a1*

MadBomber:T"here you go!"

*the 37k alt B29 turns back to base to load another nuke*