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Offline AKSWulfe

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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2001, 09:57:00 PM »
S! Karnak,

Sorry I'm not trying to infer that newbies and other people who can not accumulate perk points quickly should not be allowed access to the perk planes. Quite the contrary, I believe that if you have less than 50 (or maybe 70?) perk points at the start of the tour, you should be given an additional 100.

New start up accounts should be given 200 perk points.

This is just my opinion and I can't change HTC's mind, but this is the way I believe it should be. To make it a more 'fair' perk system.

I also believe that later variants should be given a low perk point cost- between 7 and 15.

But rather than deviate this thread I will post to a new one should someone start up about perking some planes.

Now, if HTC would allow perk point trading.. that would certainly be interesting. I don't use them much (I would like to keep 500 in the bank just in case), so they are kind of a waste sitting in my account.   :)
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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2001, 11:07:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Man, just take the underrated planes (205, 109f/g2, a6m, spitV, seafire, la5, ki61) and you'll have enough points for a tempest in 1 night of playing.  Easily.

109F4 is my main ride.

I'll sell you my perks Mighty :-)

Hope to see you flying again soon
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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2001, 11:21:00 PM »
If the main arena is not limited by history, then aircraft should not be limited by their scarceness. F4U-1C was perked because too many people flew them. Perks should be lowered on planes that are not appearing at all. Seems like people with perks don't want or need perked planes. People without perks can't use them. What's the point of having planes nobody can or will fly?

As far as earning your perks, a paying customer earns his right to ask what he is paying for. I have a friend whose favorite plane of all time since childhood happens to be the Tempest. It is a plane he flew in Avalon Hill's Air Force board game almost exclusively. Why should someone like this not be able to pay his monthly fee and fly the plane he loves? Are kills earned with a Tempest any more dweeby than those earned with a Spitfire? I personally hated flying against Tempests in Hth, but I would never want someone else to be limited in their flying choices since the next ride to get restricted from general use might be mine.
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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2001, 07:11:00 AM »
im sorry but this is not a valid arguement.

you say that we long term customers have already earned our perks but I cancelled recently throwing away over a 1000 fighter perks and 800 bomber perks.
I reopened my account under hazed2, earned 150 fighter perks then got my old hazed handle back and was reset to 0 again.
whats the big deal?
I like the ta152,the arado and the tempest but i dont need to fly them constantly.
As for an unperked tempest, Im sorry but i dont want to fight an arena full of them.
You say you have a restricted choice??? well just imagine the restriction 100 tempests would cause! almost all the aircraft in the planeset would become almost useless against an arena full of tempests.

this is one of the first posts that has made me think 'now that is a whine',

HTC please give new customers 100 perks to play with to stop this sort of pointless moaning.

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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2001, 09:13:00 AM »
We pay to play the game, WITH its structure and rules, NOT to have it be whatever we want.  If enought people whine about the structure (see: RPS, One Trick Ponies), then the developers may need to change something to keep their customers, but our $14.95 doesn't entitle each of us to have everything that we want all the time.
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« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2001, 09:23:00 AM »
"then aircraft should not be limited by their scarceness."

 They are NOT limited by thier or for thier scarceness in real life. They are limited by the impact, potential and/or real, they would have if they were available in unlimited numbers online.

 But over all,  Popeye addressed it best.
 
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« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2001, 10:44:00 AM »
A company gets to choose what it wants to sell: i.e. the game and all of its associated rules.

A consumer gets to choose what to buy.

The company only succeeds if enough consumers choose to buy its product.

Every consumer has an equal vote in determining what is a valuable product. My $14.95 is as good as anyone elses, and contrary to above posts, it entitles me and anyone else paying to ask for anything we want.

Regardless of what I or anybody else requests, HTC reserves the right to sell whatever they want. For HTC to survive at all, they must make enough people happy to make enough money to cover their costs.

Right now, HTC is making me plenty happy, therefore they get my $14.95. But obviously some people are less than satisfied with things they way they are. If there are more people like them than there are of me, I would not be surprised to see HTC stop doing what I like (i.e. the CT), and start making the others happy (maybe an arena full of Me262s and Tempests). I will never say the others are wrong for wanting something different than me or suggesting to HTC that they provide what they want. Of course, if AH changes to the point I don't like it, away goes my account.

But why is it that for every whiner's post there are 3 to 10 anti-whiner's posts that can't just disagree with the original post, but take the high ground and declare the original post is outright blasphemy (burn him at the stake!)?

Most head to head arenas are unrestricted. Yet they are not full of F4U1Cs, Tempests, and Ar234s. Usually I saw tons of Spitfires, N1K2s, and Bf109G10s. While the aircraft in an arena can be regulated by the perk system, should they be? Apparently, a majority of people agreed the proliferation of F4U-1Cs was too high. But that could only be true if the majority were flying it in the first place  ;) What is the difference between having an arena dominated by plane x instead of plane y? Oh, I know what the difference is: guys in plane z have a much better chance against plane y than plane x. So because you enjoy flying your plane z and don't want it outclassed by plane x, everyone else has to fly plane y. I don't see where that is any less selfish than all those quakers wanting to fly Chogs and Tempests at the expense of your fun.

Obviously I can rant and rave endlessly about market pressures and their impact on AH (I just happen to like arguing as much as I like flying). But my own personal feelings can be summarized in one statement:

HTC, thank you for the great flight models, awesome graphics, diversity of aircraft, and most of all a CT where I can fully enjoy them in an environment favorable to my interests.

I have what I want, I wish everyone else good luck in finding a way to get what they want. If that includes "whining" on this message board, no skin off my back, go for it.

Long live the CT, may it only get better.
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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2001, 02:28:00 PM »
the "perk" system is idiotic and unfair and badly thought out since it is a dead end so far as plane development.   It is an Ok system if you are stuck in a late war mindset with a heavy (lots of hours per month) AH monkey on your back but for most it is simply a bad system that is unfair.

Any time one person is flying an untouchable plane against lesser planes it is inherently unfair.   No one wants to fly against the uber rides... The solution is worse thatn the problem tho.... the idiotic perk points are so high on the uber rides that the solution becomes.....

u never see the damn things.   This is fine for most people but is a waste.   further... the system does nothing to make for a place that early war planes (a huge and important part of WWII) can exist with some amount of parity.

surely, everyone (99%) would be better off if  "perk" planes were available to everyone, for free, for the last day or so of the tour.   We would get more use out of the stupid planes and the MA would be a fairer place.  

sure... it's an RPS but whats wrong with an RPS that gives a few days to early war, a few days to uber and the majority to mid/late-mid war?   Popularity could decide how long each period lasted.   All planes would fly with much more parity and new or low time users would have parity of choice.

Better yet tho.... An area arena with all eras in the same arena but segregated from each other.... Field choice would decide what era, and plane choice you had.   don't like P51's or don't like the action in late war area?   click on another area of the map where Spit ones and 109e's and f4f's and p40's are mixing it up.... tired of that?  jump to a mid war area.   Unable or unwilling  to fly anything but a P51 or Nik or P40 or whatever.... There would still be a place for you 24/7....
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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2001, 03:08:00 PM »
Lazs...

In the past few weeks, since about mid august when I resigned up, I have seen fewer than 10 perk aircraft in the MA.
To me that hardly = UNFAIR
Once the 262 arrives, perhaps that will change.. gawd  I hope only for the first week...  Alotta guys have enough perkies to likely be able to lose a dozen of them and still never worry about not being able to fly anything at any time.
Wipe the perks at the beginning of a tour, reduce plane costs, give everyone enough perks at the start to afford the most expensive perk once.

Just another gr8 idea

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« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2001, 05:46:00 PM »
"Wipe the perks at the beginning of a tour",

No. I earned them, I keep them. It would be very unfair for those who flew A/C other than late war monsters for months to have them lose all their hard earned perkies..and just because those players with low perks DONT have enough perks because (insert excuse here) or because (insert 2nd excuse here) dont. I can almost assure you that those who have big perk hoards are those that dont fly the late war monsters, and they dont fly that much in the MA either!

"reduce plane costs, give everyone enough perks at the start to afford the most expensive perk once."

Agreed 100%. Read my earlier post on that. It doesnt punish or give free perks to those who already have enough perks.

My $$ is just the same as the other player's $$, I dont see why the OLDER costumers have to be penalized. Give every costumer the same chance at a perk ride every tour yes, but dont punish those who go up in the less powerful planes and have gotten more perks because of it just because others cant do it or dont want to do it.


Comparison:

1 day (about 2 hours) flying La7 (perk getting modifier value=18) = around 12 perks
1 day (about 2 hours) flying C205 (perk getting modifier value=40) = around 45 perks

And the 205 having less kills because it is easily outperformed by most of the airborne planeset, while la7 has a lot of chances to get kills because it outperforms most of the planeset. Same flying time too.

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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2001, 06:03:00 PM »
I am not really considered a newbie, but I am under 6 monthes off and on (on for good now). The perk system IMO works very good now because it rewards skill. To make it easy on someone because there new is like lining up on the runway and letting them practice there gunnery. To me earning the right to fly a plane is what makes this game challenging. I rarely see a perk plane, and when I do I don't change my tactics, I fly the same way, because I somewhat understand the strengths of my bird. Aces High is a remarkable game, and the perk system really works. There some pilots in here that can flat out fly their plane and the planes they are flying are not the "best" by far. I am learning that the hard way everyday. SALUTE!
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« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2001, 06:05:00 PM »
Mighty 1

Fraid your argument  hold no water my man.

I am not only new to AH,I've only been flying sims for 3 month and on AH for 2.

I am one of the users you describe,only being able to get online for 1-2 hrs per day as other folk need the phone line-

The result is that me perks accrue very slowly and I want to fly the tempest as much as the next man.

So,in order to do this during my 1 hour sessions,I learn all I can about the pros and cons of the planes/tactics-the full monty,then I kinda take off,grab alt and fight like british bulldog till I have the perkies.I feel I have earned them and enjoy my tempest all the more for it.£20 of mine says that you buy "cheat" magazines for all your games.

Im going to look at net porn now

bye

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« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2001, 06:30:00 PM »
poor lazs
such a friggen idiot.

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« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2001, 07:23:00 PM »
agreed pongo  :)

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« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2001, 07:52:00 PM »
ahh everyone joining  in a common goal isn't that heartwarming  :D