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Offline wrag

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2009, 03:56:34 PM »
why would they put in a plane that they took out?

Because they didn't take out an actual G10 they replaced what was essentially a K4 with 20mm hub and gonds option   :old:  ( n if they'd give that to the K4 I'd shut up  :neener:  :neener:  :neener: )
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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2009, 09:12:43 PM »
 I agree wrag,the G6as and G14as seem like a simple FM adjustment.

 Also I see no reason to not have gondies for the K4,in fact I would argue that no gondies are a field mod!

  I appears most were shipped with gondies attached and several squadron were disappointed and had them removed.

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2009, 10:20:56 PM »
I'd like to see an AM63 and F6F-3.

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2009, 10:34:00 PM »
I'd like to see an AM63 and F6F-3.

Depending on the version used the A6M3 may require a different model, if they use the Model 32 with the clipped wings. (although the Model 22 might use the same model as the A6M2). This could be likely to make it visually distinct from the A6M2 Model 21 and A6M5 Model 52 that we have.

I think the F6F-3 would require some changes to the model as well.
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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2009, 12:04:42 AM »
A6Ms require a new model in any case, it is still an AH1 model.
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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2009, 12:29:58 AM »
E-7 has a couple of subtle shape differences here and there, most notably the pointed spinner.

That's probably the closest parallel you'll find to the current P-47 situation. They just took the P-47N flight model, removed extra gas, removed a little weight, and put rounded wingtip 3D models on it.

No tweaking of anything 3D, and very little tweaking of anything flight-model (heck, the wing tanks still show up on the damage screen!)

Finding something else like that where the variant is different enough to warrant adding to the game will be very hard.


That said, I'm all for the E-7 or E-7/z!!!!

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2009, 12:43:07 AM »
Yes, I realize that. I wasn't the one that said the N was clipped. It's definitely got a larger wing area.

Ask them how they did it. They probably took the horsepower model from the N and the lift/drag model fro the D-40. I meant they used what was already there, instead of making a new FM. It's clear from the current bugs that the M is a recycled "N". Whereas coming up with another example of a variant that uses the same model would require re-creating the engine part of the flight model, or the drag, or SOMETHING would have to be made from scratch.

Whereas the P-47M example just cut-and-pasted existing work -- they'd already done it.

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2009, 12:46:10 AM »
Let me add another example to clarify what I meant.

P-47D-40 already made, P-47N already made. Put the N engine on the D40 frame, done!

But on 109E-7, for example, you need to model a new engine entirely, which means new power curves for speed and climb, needs to have the spinner changed, and a couple other minor issues. It's not something already-in-game, that they can cut-and-paste together.

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2009, 12:47:20 AM »
A6Ms require a new model in any case, it is still an AH1 model.

Well, yeah, that too. The A6M3 would be a nice addition when that's done, as it's MUCH more appropriate for the mid-war period than our A6M5b (which is really a later bird of roughly the same vintage as our 1A).

Had a thought on the Zekes I'll open a new thread for.
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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2009, 04:30:25 AM »
P-39D-2 and/or P-39N please.

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2009, 11:27:25 AM »
This is why we can't have nice things.... we get greedy.

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2009, 09:16:27 PM »
There are a number of planes that could use an update prior to adding more aircraft.  The zeke(s), the P40's, the B26, etc.  Dont get me wrong, I like to see new planes added, but to leave behind mainstay aircraft in the dark ages is a shame.

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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2009, 09:59:48 PM »
There are a number of planes that could use an update prior to adding more aircraft.  The zeke(s), the P40's, the B26, etc.  Dont get me wrong, I like to see new planes added, but to leave behind mainstay aircraft in the dark ages is a shame.



I would say there's some new additions that are probably even higher a priority than updating existing aircraft. The He-111, G4M and Ki-43 are REALLY important aircraft that fill several glaring holes in the plane set.
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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2009, 06:17:14 AM »
How about the spitfire F.R or what ever it was called. it had a bubble canapy like the P-51D.

Please, the whole point of the thread was to point out aircraft that would require zero 3d model changes.

A lot of the aircraft we're pointing out here would not be as easy as the P-47M, mostly because they would need unique 3d models.  If I was wrong about the E-7, then too bad for the E-7.
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Re: If variants are easy to add...
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2009, 09:04:03 AM »
Has been asked for in the past. Should be simple enough?
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