You guys. I assure you that Larry and JG-54 have change.
Good I need three quarters to buy a coke.

Oak I realize you're trying to help with the above statement. However bringing up the past or saying one certain group or individual has changed only brings statements like Odee's or CAP1's which end up not helping at all. For two weeks there's been a effort by quite a few people to bring numbers back into the AVA. There's been a lot of posting and exchange of ideas in the AVA threads. The majority of it positive. The things posted that were less than positive in the threads were not posted by anybody that flies with a Green Heart on their aircraft. Everybody that's taken up the attempt to revive the AVA has had to change, not just one group of people. Theres a lot of old crap that's been checked at the door by a lot of different people. None of that old crap no matter who it belonged to was healthy for the AVA. You can't blame all of the AVA woes on one group of people and still be honest with yourself. Everybody that fought with words instead of airplanes, everybody that held grudges, everybody that fought on the BBS instead of fighting to save the arena, and everybody boycotted the arena all carry some of the blame for it's demise. If you take an hard honest look at all that's transpired there over the years you'll find there's many of us that could have stopped our behavior and tried another approach or at least to put the arena above the BS.
In the past week people from JG-11, JG-54, II/JG-27, 334th FG, The Gunfighters, 332nd Mongrels, 82nd FG, VF-17, and 801 FAA along with guys I'm forgetting at the moment have all worked together to bring back a place where we can get historic aircraft setups on a daily bases in AH. I've seen both JG-54 and JG-11 guys giving up their favorite rides to even out the numbers when the Allies were out numbered. I've seen 332nd guys do the same. VF-17 mounted a couple of carrier based F4F sorties against 109F and FW-190A5s, II/JG-27 pilots ran JU-88 torpedo attacks against the British fleet Sunday evening. These are the kind of things that are going to help the arena. So if you want to really help... Fly and participate.
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