squads or individuals wanted

[Shifty]

You are judged forever more by your actions today.

Shuf, that's basically what I'm trying to sell. Let's start judgement on the actions of today none of us can do squat about yesterday or last year.
Also sooner or later there will be conflict of some sort between a couple of players you just can't get around it.
However we can contain disagreements to the individuals no matter what logo is in their avatar. Luckily everything stupid I do or say sticks to me not my squadmates.
Everybody and every squad should be granted that courtesy.

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[Stampf]

Everybody and every squad should be granted that courtesy.

...quoted for truth.

[chewie86]

one individual here, if it is european time zone friendly 

[Shifty]

Chewie there was a time that on weekends especially Sundays there were enough players in the CT/AVA where guys in Europe were participating.
We're trying to get back to that. There's nothing stopping guys in Europe from flying there any day of the week. Spread the word to the guys you fly with in the regular arenas and see if you can help us spark some interest. It's not a special events arena. It's for the whole community to fly in anytime it wants.

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[oakranger]

very doubtful.

JG-54 has change since two years ago.  For one, Larry is far more mature then some people that i have to put up with the other arenas.  Also, JG-54 has lost a lot of members that are no longer active. 

You also you see that some people of 353rd FG, JG-54, VFM-17 are working hard to get AVA back up to a new arena of battle. One area that we are foucusing on is get more people in it, more squades in it and we want everybody to help make it a better place.

Come to AVA and try it.

[oakranger]

Good I need three quarters to buy a coke.

Oak I realize you're trying to help with the above statement. However bringing up the past or saying one certain group or individual has changed only brings statements like Odee's or CAP1's which end up not helping at all. For two weeks there's been a effort by quite a few people to bring numbers back into the AVA. There's been a lot of posting and exchange of ideas in the AVA threads. The majority of it positive. The things posted that were less than positive in the threads were not posted by anybody that flies with a Green Heart on their aircraft. Everybody that's taken up the attempt to revive the AVA has had to change, not just one group of people. Theres a lot of old crap that's been checked at the door by a lot of different people. None of that old crap no matter who it belonged to was healthy for the AVA. You can't blame all of the AVA woes on one group of people and still be honest with yourself. Everybody that fought with words instead of airplanes, everybody that held grudges, everybody that fought on the BBS instead of fighting to save the arena, and everybody boycotted the arena all carry some of the blame for it's demise. If you take an hard honest look at all that's transpired there over the years you'll find there's many of us that could have stopped our behavior and tried another approach or at least to put the arena above the BS.

In the past week people from JG-11, JG-54, II/JG-27, 334th FG, The Gunfighters, 332nd Mongrels, 82nd FG, VF-17, and 801 FAA along with guys I'm forgetting at the moment have all worked together to bring back a place where we can get historic aircraft setups on a daily bases in AH. I've seen both JG-54 and JG-11 guys giving up their favorite rides to even out the numbers when the Allies were out numbered. I've seen 332nd guys do the same. VF-17 mounted a couple of carrier based F4F sorties against 109F and FW-190A5s, II/JG-27 pilots ran JU-88 torpedo attacks against the British fleet Sunday evening. These are the kind of things that are going to help the arena. So if you want to really help... Fly and participate.
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Your are right shifty.  I am trying to not bring up the past and JG-54.  And i apologized JG-54 for that. 

[Shifty]

Your are right shifty.  I am trying to not bring up the past and JG-54.  And i apologized JG-54 for that. 

NP Oak, just trying to keep the train on the tracks. 

[captain1ma]

no apology necessary, we know who our supporters are. thanks for the kind words! now back to the task at hand, PARTY IN THE AVA!!

[oakranger]

NP Oak, just trying to keep the train on the tracks. 

Glad that that you are the one keeping me on track.   

no apology necessary, we know who our supporters are. thanks for the kind words! now back to the task at hand, PARTY IN THE AVA!!

Yes, lets focus on what we can do to AVA now.

[Shuffler]

Shuf, that's basically what I'm trying to sell. Let's start judgement on the actions of today none of us can do squat about yesterday or last year.
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No one can erase the todays of the past. Everyone is held accountable for their actions.

Some wake up in a new world every day...... I pity them for they have no past and they have no future.

Courtesy should be 24 hours a day. You can't turn it on and off. You must earn it.

I sat quietly watching to see how this goes. I'm all for a thriving AVA. When someone asked a reasonable question and is told to not bring that up..... that is just wrong. He asked a question that I'm sure a lot of folks were thinking.

JG-54's shenanigans were still in full force till just about a month ago. So if you want folks to think they've changed... theyll have to show it... not tell us.


Hopefully they have. <S>






 

[Shifty]

I sat quietly watching to see how this goes. I'm all for a thriving AVA. When someone asked a reasonable question and is told to not bring that up..... that is just wrong. He asked a question that I'm sure a lot of folks were thinking.

I guess I missed something. Who asked a question and who told them not to bring it up?

[blkmgc]

no apology necessary, we know who our supporters are. thanks for the kind words! now back to the task at hand, PARTY IN THE AVA!!

Larry aka truekill still in your squad? Just curious.

[captain1ma]

Larry aka truekill still in your squad? Just curious.

yes

[stodd]

Im not good enough to participate. darn.  

[Oldman731]

Im not good enough to participate. darn.  

Sneak in, then, like I do.

- oldman