German Heavy Bomber

[Galland9]

  I have collected data on He-177-A5 and would like to see a German heavy bomber in game. Here's the info on He-177-A5 let me know what everyone thinks.

 He 177 A-5
  Main production series, 826 built. First flightNovember 1939, Introduced1942, Retired1945
Operators
   Germany
  Luftwaffe
    Fernkampfgeschwader 50
    Kampfgeschwader 1
    Kampfgeschwader 4
    Kampfgeschwader 10
    Kampfgeschwader 40
    Kampfgeschwader 100
    Kampfgeschwader 200
    Flugzeugführerschule (B) 15
    Flugzeugführerschule (B) 16
    Flugzeugführerschule (B) 31
    Wekusta/OBdL

Specifications (He 177 A-5/R2)
Data from[citation needed]
General characteristics
  Crew: 6
  Length: 22 m (72 ft 2 in)
  Wingspan: 31.44 m (103 ft 1¾ in)
  Height: 6.40 m (20 ft 11¾ in)
  Wing area: 101.99 m² (1,097.918 ft²)
  Empty weight: 16,800 kg (37,038 lb)
  Loaded weight: 27,200 kg (59,966 lb)
  Max takeoff weight: 31,000 kg (68,343 lb)
  Powerplant: 2× Daimler-Benz DB 610 24-cylinder liquid-cooled inline piston
  engines, 2,900 PS (2,133 kW) each
Performance
  Maximum speed: 565 km/h at 6,000 m (351 mph at 19,685 ft)
  Stall speed: 135 km/h (84 mph)
  Combat radius: 1,540 km (957 mi)
  Ferry range: 5,600 km (3,480 mi)
  Service ceiling: 9,400 m (30,840 ft)
  Rate of climb: 190 m/min (623 ft/min)
  Wing loading: 303.9 kg/m² (62.247 lb/ft²)
Armament

  1 × 7.92 mm MG 81 machine gun in nose
  1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in forward ventral gondola position
  2 × 7.92 mm MG 81 machine guns in rear ventral gondola position
  2 × 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in remotely controlled forward dorsal barbette
  1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in aft dorsal turret
  1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in tail position
Up to 6,000 kg (13,227 lb) of disposable stores internally or 7,200 kg (15,873
lb) externally or up to 3 Fritz X or Henschel Hs 293 radio-guided munitions
  48 × 50 kg (110 lb) bombs (2,400 kg/5,291 lb total)
  1 × 2,500 kg (5,511 lb) bomb (2,500 kg/5,511 lb total)
  12 × 250 kg (551 lb) bombs (3,000 kg/6,613 lb total)
  6 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs (3,000 kg/6,613 lb total)
  2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs (3,600 kg/7,936 lb total)
  2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs + 2 × LMA III mines (4,600 kg/10,141 lb total)
  10 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs (5,000 kg/11,023 lb total)
  2 × 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) bombs + 2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs (5,600 kg/12,345
  lb total)
  6 × 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) bombs (6,000 kg/13,227 lb total)
  2 × FX 1400 Fritz X + 1 × FX 1400 Fritz X under the wings and fuselage
  2 × Hs 293 or 294 + 1 × Hs 293 or 294 under the wings and fuselage
  2 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs internally + 2 × Hs 293 under the wings
  2 × LT 50 torpedoes under the wing
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_177

[Jayhawk]

A couple recent posts for similar aircraft, maybe not the A5 model, just in case you didn't search:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,271162.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,265910.0.html

[Krusty]

By definition, Germany never had a "heavy" bomber.

It was not their desire, nor their mentality, to carpet bomb cities with heavy bombers like the allies did.

Your definition of "heavy" is just an arbitrary way of saying "I want one that does more than what we have now" -- and that's fine.

But don't fall into the mindset of thinking "Germany is without a heavy bomber!" -- because they never had one or wanted one anyways.

[Rich46yo]

By definition, Germany never had a "heavy" bomber.

It was not their desire, nor their mentality, to carpet bomb cities with heavy bombers like the allies did.

Your definition of "heavy" is just an arbitrary way of saying "I want one that does more than what we have now" -- and that's fine.

But don't fall into the mindset of thinking "Germany is without a heavy bomber!" -- because they never had one or wanted one anyways.

Agreed but they certainly "wanted one" and I doubt the Nazis had any moral blocks to bombing allied cities. They did fling an awful lot of V weapons at innocents and does anyone really doubt Hitler would have hesitated to destroy cities?

This bomber would be interesting but it was a problem child and had almost no impact in the war. I'd much rather see the 111 brought in instead.

By the time German industry kicked in, after they realized they were in for a long war, it was to late to allocate the resources needed to get squadrons of true Heavies into the air.

[Rino]

     I'm sure glad the people of Guernica, Rotterdam and Coventry will be happy to
find out they were bombed "accidentally".  

[Galland9]

 Actualy Heavy to me is any bomber that carries more than 8k ords. Where the 88's are med. carring only 5k. As far as "carpet bombing" the Germans did a good number on English city's Polish and many others. I would like a German bomber I could drop a base w/ by myself or w/ one other.

[Plazus]

This bomber would be interesting but it was a problem child and had almost no impact in the war.

Despite having minimal impact, I think the German planeset could use a bomber with a heavier payload. Ju88s have a fair amount, but I give a thumbs up for this aircraft! If included, we could see an increase in Luftwaffe strategic bombing (escorted by 109s, 190s), which is something I have yet to see in the MAs.

1. It served during the war and
2. Had squadron strength

So it fits the criteria for inclusion to the game.  

[lyric1]

By definition, Germany never had a "heavy" bomber.

It was not their desire, nor their mentality, to carpet bomb cities with heavy bombers like the allies did.

Your definition of "heavy" is just an arbitrary way of saying "I want one that does more than what we have now" -- and that's fine.

But don't fall into the mindset of thinking "Germany is without a heavy bomber!" -- because they never had one or wanted one anyways.

They just borrowed the Italians heavy bomber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.108

[Krusty]

Actualy Heavy to me is any bomber that carries more than 8k ords.

That's an arbitrary number. By that number, both B17s and B24s were "medium" bombers.

Even a number of "medium" British bombers carried 8k to 14k (Manchester comes to mind).

Heck... if 8K is the limit, the ONLY country that carried more than 8k of conventional ord on any bomber would be Great Britain. [EDIT: Discounting the He177 because it was almost entirely used for testing glided bombs and external weapons, wasn't used as a de facto bomber much.]

[stealth]

I like it sound's good enough for me.

[Galland9]

 The 177 seen missions, but I did not create this post to argue over minute details or my point of view of things. I like flying German aircraft, and I was wondering if anyone else wanted a German bomber compareable to the Lancaster or B24,further I was also seeking anyone who might model this aircraft for submition to HTC so as thay have no work other than to accept it.
 So Krusty I appologise if I offend you with my point of view, but it is just mine, a simple Missourian whom likes German airpower. Also if you READ my post you can see the 177 carried 13,227lbs internaly or 15,873 with external stores. As far as missions it seen sorites in Stalingrad and othe Eastern front actions.

[StokesAk]

The Ju88 carries more ordinance than the B-17...

[Jayhawk]

"The 177 seen missions"

 "I appologise if I offend"


a simple Missourian

Missouri, I should have known.  I bet you're a Mizzou fan.  sheesh.

Only joking dude, I'm required by law to dislike all Missourians 

[wild949]

Hmm, I believe germany did have a "heavy" bomber on the drawing boards, But they never built it becuase they only thought that the war would only stay in Europe, Unfortionatly the Soviets moved their factories farther away from the front, And Britain "accidentaly" bombed a German city which switched German attention to bombing British citys, And not their industrial complexes.

[Larry]

Where the 88's are med. carring only 5k.

The Ju-88 can carry A little over 6,600lbs of bombs.