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Offline bustr

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B25 and HVAR
« on: October 19, 2009, 11:42:04 PM »
I've come across refrences recently that the B25H and J versions could carry 8 HVAR. I found refrences to the Marine bomber groups in the Pacific using them for low level work. Are we missing an ability for our B25's in Aces High?
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 12:45:41 AM »
It was a matter of the past ordnance system being limited to a certain number of points on each aircraft (16 IIRC).  The B-25H in-game would exceed that number if the rockets were added, so they left them off.  My recollection of the specifics are hazy--I probably misunderstood some of the details, but the concept was Skuzzy or Pyro addressed shortly after the H model was introduced.
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 06:08:20 AM »
Sorry to hear that. But I can understand the limitation. I have a picture of a British Costal Command B24 with an HVAR 4 rocket frame mounted low on the fuselage just under the pilots compartment for submarine duty. That would add fuel to the LankStuka complaints. Does the mount point limitation preclude the torpedo capability on B25's?  :) 
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 08:12:52 AM »
Well, remember that in version 2.15 they changed the way the ordnance system works for the aircraft models, so I think we'll see a change going forward.
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 01:19:01 PM »
Sorry if this is a bit of a hijack, but I've heard that the B-25H could carry armour piercing rounds for its 75mm artillery piece... :x
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 03:49:36 PM »
Quote from: Yossarian on October 20, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
Sorry if this is a bit of a hijack, but I've heard that the B-25H could carry armour piercing rounds for its 75mm artillery piece... :x

I've been asking for those for a while. I think they carried a mix of 5-6AP and the rest HE. Oh, the WHINES that will commence when Tigers get popped from 3k out. :D
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 06:11:50 PM »
The B-25 is definately a fun plane to fly, and it's sort of a hanger queen...HVAR's and AP rds, bring them on!
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 08:10:57 PM »
Quote from: Spikes on October 20, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
The B-25 is definately a fun plane to fly, and it's sort of a hanger queen...HVAR's and AP rds, bring them on!
How exactly do you define hangar queen? The B25H can be found at any and nearly every GV battle- almost as commonly as the Il-2
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 11:02:49 PM »
Looks like one Marine Group used rockets.  Interesting comment in a history of the Marine B25s.  In regards to the B25H one pilot commented "They weren't worth a damn!"

As with the USAAF guys, the low rate of fire was the complaint.  The 50s were more effective.
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 11:23:29 PM »
Quote from: Yossarian on October 20, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
Sorry if this is a bit of a hijack, but I've heard that the B-25H could carry armour piercing rounds for its 75mm artillery piece... :x

I've been dying to ask this.....

Heard where?

This message board is the only place I've heard of AP rounds carried.  Admittedly I have not researched it much.


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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 11:44:56 PM »
Quote from: AWwrgwy on October 20, 2009, 11:23:29 PM
I've been dying to ask this.....

Heard where?

This message board is the only place I've heard of AP rounds carried.  Admittedly I have not researched it much.


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I think a while back someone posted a link to a squadron's war journal that indicated AP rounds were used during some sorties.
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2009, 03:07:33 AM »
Quote from: Guppy35 on October 20, 2009, 11:02:49 PM
Looks like one Marine Group used rockets.  Interesting comment in a history of the Marine B25s.  In regards to the B25H one pilot commented "They weren't worth a damn!"

As with the USAAF guys, the low rate of fire was the complaint.  The 50s were more effective.

Heard the USAAF in the CBI liked the B-25H, same with the Nationalist Chinese.  Both liked the B-25H because it was effective in knocking out road convoys and trains.


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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2009, 12:18:52 PM »
Quote from: Guppy35 on October 20, 2009, 11:02:49 PM
Looks like one Marine Group used rockets.  Interesting comment in a history of the Marine B25s.  In regards to the B25H one pilot commented "They weren't worth a damn!"

As with the USAAF guys, the low rate of fire was the complaint.  The 50s were more effective.

I don't know about the USAAF, but the USMC never employed the B25H in its designed mission--anti-shipping.  I would think the radar controlled gun would have been more of a factor if it hadn't been used so much against ground targets.
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2009, 02:01:20 PM »
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Re: B25 and HVAR
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2009, 04:24:52 PM »
Quote from: Motherland on October 20, 2009, 08:10:57 PM
How exactly do you define hangar queen? The B25H can be found at any and nearly every GV battle- almost as commonly as the Il-2

Personally, if there is a plane that does it better, you'll more than likely see that plane more (in this instance, IL2). I know it is used, but I see the IL2 a helluva lot more than the 25H,
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