Fw 190 A5, A8, D9 weapon info

[Sturm]

I have the weapon's done in a .txt and excel format if anyone wants them I can email them to you.  Otherwise I am just going to copy/paste in here. Here they are


These are the additional weapon configurations for the FW-190 A5 A8 and D9   

FW 190 A5   
R1   FuG 16 ZE
R6   2 21cm Rockets
U1   nacelle mounted Mk 103's
U2   Night Fighter new designation G-2
U7   Additional Mk 103's
U8   BMW 801 C-2 with MW-50
U9   Additional Mk 108's
U10   Wing mounted MG 151/20 E's
U11   Fighter Bomber which became the F3/R2
U12   2 nacelle mounted MG 151/20's
U13   Fighter Bomber with Messerschmitt ETC new designation G-3
U14   Torpedo Carrier
U15   Formerly A-5 U4
U16    Replace MG 151/20's with Mk 108's
U17   Advanced armor attack aircraft forerunner of the F3/R1
S-5   2 seat trainer

FW 190 A8   
Gm-1 and MW-50 was also installed on many A8's   
R1   2 nacelle mounted MG 151/20E's
R2   2 Mk 108's
R3   2 nacelle mounted Mk 103's
R4   2 wing mounted MG 151/20 E's
R7   Additional armor
R8   Is an R2 with R7 armor
R11   BMW 801 TU engine with FuG ZE + FuG 125 and heated wind screen
R12   6 MG 151/20's
U1   2 seat trainer

FW 190 D9   
Fighter bomber version 2 MG 131 and 2 MG 151/20 ETC 504 and external 4 Schloss 50 L-2 bomb racks   
Havent found the R version but I have the pics of the D-9 with 2 MG 131's 4 MG 151's 1 Mk 103 it is on page 71-73 source below   
R1   2 21cm Rockets
R11   All weather fighter corresponding to 190 A8/R11configuration
R14   Torpedo Carrier with ETC 504 + Schloss 301 Launcher for LT IB aerial torpedo or BT 1000
Available engines    
Jumo 213 A-1   
Jumo 213 C-1   

Book title The Luftwaffe Album    
Authors Jaochim Dressel and Manfred Griehl   
ISBN 1-85409-519-6   

[Flitze]

Nice info, Sturm

In Aircraft 7/92 I have similar info. Some additional:

FW190 A5:
U3  similar U2, higher bombload
U15 LT950 torpedo (3 planes in Nov 43)
U14 lighter version of U15 (perhaps flown in combat by Helmut Viedebannt, SKG19)

FW190 A8:
U3  "Mistel"-combination (FW190 with unmanned Ju88 "cruise missile")
U11 "bombtorpedo" BT700 (what the hell is a bombtorpedo ? Has someone some info ?)

FW190 F8 (F-series operational spring 44):
bombload: 1 x 1000kg + 4 x 50kg
Quote: "A special meaning had the FW190F-8, which could carry 14 21cm-rocketbombs, 6 28cm grenade launchers or 24 R4M rockets."

F-series were armored Jabo-versions.

FW190 G1 (operational Nov 42):
1 x 1800kg bomb


I'm missing the weapon loadouts for FW190 F8 in AH, especially the 24 R4Ms and the 1000kg bomb   !


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[This message has been edited by Flitze (edited 03-13-2001).]

[Naudet]

I really know much about the D9 but one  with 2x13mm MG131 + 4x20mm MG151 + 1x30mm MK103 never existed as production plane.

The very limited D-0 Series had 2x13 MG131 and 4x20mm MG151 thats right. But no D9 had an engine mounted cannon and or 4 x 20mms.

The D11 hat 2x20mm plus 2x30mm MK108 in the wings.
The D12 1 engine mounted 30mm MK108 plus 2 MG151in the wing roots.
The D13 1 eng. mounted MG151 plu 2 MG151 in the wing roots.
And they all D11-13 hat the MG131 in on the eng. removed.

[Tony Williams]

Agreed.  There were plans to fit engine-mounted MK 103 to various aircraft (Do 335, Ta 152C-3 (?) Bf 109K-8) but none of them ever saw service.

Tony Williams
Author: "Rapid Fire: The development of automatic cannon, heavy machine guns and their ammunition for armies, navies and air forces"
Details on my military gun and ammunition website: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~autogun/index.htm

[Sturm]

One question though considering the affect of the allied bombing was that every available plane was used.  Test bed planes and such, we also have to look at field modifications that were done on the spot.  The D-9 pilot I knew said many weapons were added to the D-9's on the field with a little engineering done by the mechanics/ground crew.  Remember this field installation was done for the shrag musik and then spread on but only on one plane until it caught on.  Do to records being lost and information on systems loadouts and such it is rather hard to base anything on what info we have now.  Talking with those that were there is the best info we have and that knowledge is rapidly shrinking.  Another interesting aspect about the D-9 if you compare it to other series such as the A-5 is the new designations given to aircraft after a modification.  With this take into account a vast majority of info was lost in 45.  So are we to assume none were ever field prepped this way?  Test bed AC or not the V-53 flew, I am trying to find sources to find out if it saw combat.  But do to constrains on A/C production it fits the mold of other A/C that were used by the testing facility to defend against raids.  Perfect example FW-187.  It is also feasible to say that yes a mk 103 was added onto a D-9 centerline, the 2 common engines were the A-1 and C-1, yes later versions gave us the D-11 and so on.  Also look into the books and you will find that some D-9's were modified to a higher standard, such as the 12 being the procurement for the Ta-152.  What is the limit for this game to maybe do your own field conversion in the hanger?  Trade some agility for more armor plating, reduce the armament to save weight.  THe possibility is there, just need to see if HTC will go with it.  One other thing and see if anyone can answer this.  Mk 108's under the wings on the D-9?  R4M rockets under wings, Germans were masters at diversity of the armaments on their planes, why would the D-9 be different?  Trivia question for the day why was the Mk 108 abandoned in favor of the MG 151 on the HE-162?  Naudet BTW this is your old Platzschutzstaffel bud      

[Fishu]

Sigh..
I am really dissapointed at HTC for not giving rockets and 1000kg bomb for 109F8.
same goes for Ju88, no 1000kg bomb, not to talk about optional fixed nose MG-FF/M..

Maybe more dissapointed for rockets, because allies have rockets, but they dont have their 1000kg equivelant 2000lb bomb either.
Though, Jabo operating is far less popular due to fact that these bombs are missing.

[Sturm]

I am scared to fly the F8, is it me or is it worse then the A8 in every aspect?  They might add stuff for it later, but right now the F8 will sit in the hanger for me, I cannot fly it and not die, I have 1 kill in it and I got it by pure luck.  Ground attack is pointless as well.  Would rather have seen the HS-129.  I never just fly one plane I fly as many as I can, no point in flying 1 when you have so many.  For me I don't care about stats or ranks or anything like that, just being able to fly and and have fun has become more of a concern for me.  I am still envisioning the ME-410 or TA-154.  Please I wish they add these.

[juzz]

Yes the F-8 is heavier than the A-8, I assume that's because of the additional armour - although I suspect it does little to protect you from the AH acks anyway...

But the armament options?! All there is is the F-8/R1(4x50kg) - there should also be at least:

F-8/Pb-1: 8xR4M rockets
F-8/U1: 2x300 litre drop tanks or 2x250kg bombs - this plane replaced the G-8 in the Jabo-Rei role.
Plus the option for 4x50kg with the ER 4 adaptor on the centreline.

Then the Fw 190F-8 would be a VERY useful aircraft.

PS: Funny thing is; the exact Fw 190F-8/R1 that is modelled in AH actually started life as an A-7.  

[Sturm]

Another side note, have option of removing the MG 131's.  Or at least give us the option of additional weapons packs, and yes bigger bombs could be carried albeit a short distance 150 miles or so with the 3800 pound one.  I do believe and correct me if I am wrong but that was the max load it could carry.  I did read a report where a plane carrying this bomb did break up in flight do to weight constraints.  I have posted another link with F8 info for you all to look at.  

[Sturm]

The Fw 190 was equipped with a special sight system, TSA 2A (Tiefsturzangle 2A) for precise aerial torpedo BT (Bombentorpedo) aiming. Using this torpedo it was possible to attack targets from a higher altitude and from a higher angle than in the case of an ordinary aerial torpedo LT (Lufttorpedo). Yanked this info for ya from my other post

[Flitze]

Thanks, Sturm.
It seems that a bombtorpedo was dropped like a bomb with the help of the TSA 2A sight and therefore this name.
Concerning the 190F8 we all agree, I think: there will always be another plane better suited for any task than the F8. So without the proper ordnance, the AH developers can remove the F8 from the list of planes. Maybe the allied planes are missing the 2000 lbs bomb, too. But at least they are able to carry 2x1000 lbs=2000 lbs !
I expect the F8 to be a jabo with a higher bombload than A8 or to be used against bombers with her better (frontal) armor.

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[Sturm]

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"The soup nazi"

[straffo]

BS!

I want the 109 Galland version with the lighter and a Mickey mouse...
Those luftWaffles "commmencent ā me courrir sur le haricot" (any good soul to translate ?)

[illo]

 

Trivia question for the day why was the Mk 108 abandoned in favor of the MG 151 on the HE-162? Naudet BTW this is your old Platzschutzstaffel bud <http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif>

Recoil forces were found too heavy for airframe. It caused airframe damage and unstability.