John Adams series on HBO

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Wait a minute you missed one very important point. Jefferson was by law forbidden to free any slave that could not support themselves on their own and there was also a law forbidding the sale of slaves while under debt which Jefferson always was. This was because they were considered attached property under lean. Jefferson is the President that abolished the slave trade so overall  portraying him the way a few of you have is not very honest to the facts of history.

I was not aware of such restrictions on the release of slaves in Virginia.  I guess that Madison had different circumstances than his Virginian companion then.  Thanks for noting this point that I will most certainly research.

Stalwart:
Your points are noted on Adams behalf.  I did not mean to taint Adams character in my earlier post as he is definately beyond moral reproach on a personal level.

[Stalwart]

I did not mean to taint Adams character in my earlier post as he is definately beyond moral reproach on a personal level.

Of course not...  The series does a good job portraying Adams weakness as an administrator and politician.  While Franklyn is portrayed as the consummate politician, as he surely must have been.  I thought you were spot on.

[zack1234]

Not really...it was deemed "illegal" in 1772 but it wasn't until 1807 that Britain officially "abolished the slave trade" for the entire "British Empire". Britain's slave history is not something to overlook though, since British ships were used heavily in the slave trade and the country profited greatly from slavery.


And don't bring up the Native American Indians...they were victims of the Western European "Christianity mindset plague"...started by British immigrants.

When did these British immigrants become American, was Custer British?

[zack1234]

I am willing to admit that Britain has done nasty things in it's history are you willing to do the same?
I think rule number 14 is about to be envoked.
I am going to have a cup of tea, by the way don't think we have forgot about Boston and our tea

[Saxman]

When did these British immigrants become American, was Custer British?

ROFL!!!!



What the hell does Custer have to do with anything? He was a soldier, a glory hound, and an idiot. His decision to attack at Little Big Horn had nothing to do with his personal beliefs or prejudice against the Native cultures (LOTS of evidence he actually had a great deal of respect for them) and EVERYTHING to do with just wanting his name in lights.

[zack1234]

So he was pro Native American?

[gyrene81]

When did these British immigrants become American, was Custer British?

Geez...Imperial loyalist. You need to look before Custer...as in the Puritan colonials. They started the systematic elimination of the Native American tribes long before Custer was born.

[Saxman]

So he was pro Native American?

He was NEITHER, and first and foremost served his own ego.  His orders at Little Big Horn were to follow and scout the Native forces for the army following behind. He attacked to take all the glory for himself.

[gyrene81]

So he was pro Native American?

If Custer had not been the glory hound career military officer that he was...he probably would have been more pro-native than anyone of his time would respect. He had a great respect for the plains tribes, but he also thought that he and the 7th Cavalry was destined for glory.

[zack1234]

Geez...Imperial loyalist. You need to look before Custer...as in the Puritan colonials. They started the systematic elimination of the Native American tribes long before Custer was born.

America history is spotless then?

[Plazus]

John Adams and Ben Franklin were Freemasons.

[Saxman]

John Adams and Ben Franklin were Freemasons.

Franklin was, Adams was not.

[zack1234]

He was related to perry mason?

[gyrene81]

America history is spotless then?

In relative comparison to the great British empire? Yes...but then I'm biased. Human history in general is far from spotless.

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John Adams and Ben Franklin were Freemasons.

So what!?   Please stay on topic.