Author Topic: Collegiate Paintball (Read 920 times)

Selino631 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 23, 2009, 02:58:01 PM »

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I never liked woodsball because everyone thinks they are gonna be a "sniper" (no marker/paint is that accurate) and just find a perch and wait. The games would last for 45 minutes with only 5 minutes of action, after all the "snipers" finally give up and start moving.

I guess you havn't heard of the new Tiberius Arms First Strike Paintball round. There ridiculously accurate

watch this video and you can see just how far and accurate they are -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOSozQNURI

And these ARE paintballs!

indy007 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 23, 2009, 05:02:59 PM »

Quote from: Selino631 on October 23, 2009, 02:58:01 PM

I guess you havn't heard of the new Tiberius Arms First Strike Paintball round. There ridiculously accurate

I have, before they even came out. This looks like a good design, accuracy is on, but I'm skeptical of the range claims. Waiting on empirical testing by a 3rd party.

They also require a specially modified Tiberius pistol. Can't be used in a regular paintball marker yet unless you muzzeload it. If you want to muzzle load... have at it, but don't be surprised if you're bunkered and hosed down after your snap shot misses

Selino631 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 23, 2009, 05:08:21 PM »

Quote from: indy007 on October 23, 2009, 05:02:59 PM

I have, before they even came out. This looks like a good design, accuracy is on, but I'm skeptical of the range claims. Waiting on empirical testing by a 3rd party.

They also require a specially modified Tiberius pistol. Can't be used in a regular paintball marker yet unless you muzzeload it. If you want to muzzle load... have at it, but don't be surprised if you're bunkered and hosed down after your snap shot misses

lol, ya i found a test on TechPB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rsVXFL48Sk

I think the T9 marker and t8 pistols work with them, i also read there planning on making adapter kits on Tippmanns, for magazine loaded

shotgunneeley · « **Reply #33 on:** October 23, 2009, 05:33:00 PM »

At the rate paintball markers have been evolving I've been wondering when the design of the paintball itself was going to get an overhaul. A round molded like a rifle bullet would be very accurate compared to a musketball shape. You'd have to have a clip for it, no way to have a 250 round gravity hopper to just feed them in randomly.

Seems like the paintball industry has shifted to a more mil-sim style of paintball gun to replicate real-world firearms. Woodsball/Scenario paintball by far attracts the most players overall, and all of those players want to have a Tommy gun, m-16, or AK-47 in there hands. The next leap in realism is going to be getting rid of the large, obtrusive gravity hopper and create markers with 20-30 round magazines with rifle shaped paintballs.

saggs · « **Reply #34 on:** October 23, 2009, 07:19:38 PM »

Quote from: indy007 on October 23, 2009, 05:02:59 PM

If you want to muzzle load... have at it, but don't be surprised if you're bunkered and hosed down after your snap shot misses

My thoughts exactly, that's why tournaments have a separate class for pump/stock.

Maybe those fancy new "balls" will make it into some stock class tournies, and a few hardcore scenario guys, but I can't imagine them becoming mainstream.

Besides they much cost a fortune, gotta be tougher to manufacture.

I'm also thinking while they are more accurate they would still have about the same range. Many barrels are designed to spin the paintball, so they would have about the same amount of drag as these, wouldn't they? I just don't see how you can increase range with out pushing the velocity past the accepted safe 300 fps, but then it wouldn't be safe to use it.

PS. speaking of Autocockers my second marker was a 1998 Bob Long Millennium Edition Autococker, with purple splash anodizing, yea, it was cool.

I think I paid $799 for it in '98, at the time I thought no marker could possibly be better. Then one of my teammates at the time spent well over a grand on the Shocker, you remember the first Shockers that looked like a shoe box with a barrel. I think that it was the first electronic marker on the market (or maybe it was the Angel idk). Anyway, even though the thing was humongous, our whole team was blown away by it's performance. Now days you can probably get that good of marker in a much smaller package, for 1/4 the price.

Strip · « **Reply #35 on:** October 23, 2009, 07:33:26 PM »

A ball is a rather poor aerodynamic shape compared to a similarly weighted conventional conical style bullet.

Strip

saggs · « **Reply #36 on:** October 23, 2009, 07:37:26 PM »

Quote from: Strip on October 23, 2009, 07:33:26 PM

A ball is a rather poor aerodynamic shape compared to a similarly weighted conventional conical style bullet.

Strip

So will a ball with a funny tail, have better range than just a ball, given the same weight and velocity?

I'm curious, as I'm not that good at physics.

Strip · « **Reply #37 on:** October 23, 2009, 09:45:36 PM »

I am not great at physics either but air does weird things...

A great example would be a golf ball, lots of little pockets create a little airflow disturbance in the boundary layer and causes the airflow around the ball to flow better. A smooth ball travels around 50-60% the distance of a normal dimpled golf ball. Dont believe me ask myth busters!

Strip

crazyivan · « **Reply #38 on:** October 23, 2009, 10:55:42 PM »

I love woodsplay. I have model 98 with 14inch dye barrel, and remote harness. Its nice not having the bottle on the gun. My trick for accuracy was rubbing my nose. they cleaning the bottom of barrel. I don't know if it put spin on the ball or not. As for being a sniper. Guy I knew made a homemade silencer. You could still hear the bolt ,but it did quiet the exuast hehe.

Tango · « **Reply #39 on:** October 23, 2009, 11:14:51 PM »

Quote from: Strip on October 23, 2009, 09:45:36 PM

I am not great at physics either but air does weird things...

A great example would be a golf ball, lots of little pockets create a little airflow disturbance in the boundary layer and causes the airflow around the ball to flow better. A smooth ball travels around 50-60% the distance of a normal dimpled golf ball. Dont believe me ask myth busters!

Strip

Your right. If they make paintballs with dimples like golf balls they will greatly increase range and accuracy.

Strip · « **Reply #40 on:** October 23, 2009, 11:21:33 PM »

Quote from: Tango on October 23, 2009, 11:14:51 PM

Your right. If they make paintballs with dimples like golf balls they will greatly increase range and accuracy.

Alll at the low low price of a small fortune!

Selino631 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 23, 2009, 11:42:15 PM »

Quote from: saggs on October 23, 2009, 07:37:26 PM

So will a ball with a funny tail, have better range than just a ball, given the same weight and velocity?

I'm curious, as I'm not that good at physics.

watch the video i linked with the picture, adn u'll see

branch37 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 24, 2009, 01:33:26 AM »

I have a flatline barrell on my Tippmann A-5 and that gives me all the accuracy i need

its just kinda heavy with the 20 oz tank and all

shotgunneeley · « **Reply #43 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:12:23 AM »

I dint see how "purposely" having dimples in your paintballs would be effective or practical.

As it is now, all paintballs are created to be perfectly round, but we all know that if you examine a paintball closely (especially the cheaper kind) you'll find a random number and placement of dimples caused from pressure points by the other balls in the 250 round bags. Also, its a rare sight to open up a box of paintballs and "not" find any broken balls or sweaty ones that have become slick and soggy.

Having dimples in your paintballs like a golfball would mean they would have to be perfectly arranged. This is possible with a golfball because it is rigid and firm while a paintball is soft and malleable. If the air catches the paintballs in dimple, its going to spin it in a direction other than the target. Don't know how many times I've seen defected balls that go about 20 feet then dive down into the ground long before they reach the target.

Got to get ready now, going to go play some speedball.

indy007 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 24, 2009, 10:54:06 AM »

Shotgun,

There's another way. The guys that designed the Tiberius rifled around above, are the same guys that designed the "Perfect Rounds". Their capsule is not actually gelatin based like a typical paintball (but still biodegradable iirc, a big deal when playing at MOUT sites). Perfect rounds literally were perfect, to a microscopic level, they were just expensive as hell. I think the Tiberius round uses the same material.

If they could use that material and dimple it, I think we'd see something really cool. The flaws I see with the Tiberius round are actually the spin, since a spinning, ballistic object loses forward speed much faster than rotation, you get an "overspin condition" which causes instability. Plus you get extra drag from the open rear end, which is a large gap compared to the ballistics of a real bullet. I really want to see somebody lay it side by side with a regular paintball, and do a real comparison, calculate drag coefficient of it, range test on identical markers, all that.

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