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Offline ramzey

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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2009, 04:57:21 AM »

So, here's what I'm looking for and would appreciate suggestions:

1- 10mpixel
2- capable of high speed photo. Aka I want to push that button and have it take dozens of pics a second (for when photographing moving objects)
3- I loathe digital zoom so i'll take the highest optical zoom i can get
4- price: This is absolutely important I really cant spend more than 500 bucks on the camera.

it's a begginer's slr camera so I really dont need one loaded with a bunch of bs features ill never use...and when/if I ever get to the point where i'd need them it will be many years from now and a camera upgrade would be on the table anyways.

suggestions?

There is no DSLR on the market that can match your price/expectations.
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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2009, 10:08:50 AM »
I got my 1st SLR this week Canon Rebel T1i ,@ Costco, package deal, bag, cables battery,2 lenses: AkWabitt  suggested this camera,i owe him a beer,  and i searched it has best ratings for entry level SLR.Below are my 1st shots i took yesterday here from Windsor to Detroit River, but was cloudy, low light and i don't know much about ISO,lenses, and other settings. Takes very high quality pics even in on auto mode, driven by noob like myself, but you lose lots of quality resizing pics from 7MB to photobucket size.



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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 11:06:15 AM »
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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2009, 11:46:11 AM »
I've heard lots of good things about the K-7, in fact the only serious complaint I've heard is the autofocus can be finnicky.  Great thing about Pentax (and Sony) is the in body stabilization which will make all your wife's old lenses stabilized.

Yes the autofocus on her K100 is the same way but that is something that can and does get overlooked by us since she tends to use manual focus for 80+% of her shots. She does a good job of playing with the settings to get the right thing for her shots and as part of the Christmas present she is getting a photography class paid for as well. Something that she has been wanting to do for a while.
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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2009, 07:47:45 PM »
but you lose lots of quality resizing pics from 7MB to photobucket size.

Don't worry about that, remember that probably 90% of people will be viewing them on  monitors that have 2 mega-pixels or less resolution.(1920X1080 is basically 2mp)  So even a 3-4 mp camera has enough resolution for web display.

The resizing will also kill a lot of shadow, highlight and color detail through compression, BUT, most monitors will not be color calibrated either, and many will not be using the same color gamut as your uploaded JPGs or TIFs, so they will look different on different monitors anyway.  If your really into photography, a monitor calibrator is a worthwhile investment.

The only way to really judge image quality is through prints, and even there you need use a printer you know is good.  I use Bay Photo now, and pay extra $$ to get the color correction done by hand.  I've used EZprints and Adorama in the past too, there good, but I think Bay is a little better.  I've heard people rave about White House Custom Colour, but they are VERY pricey $$$$.  Costco does good prints too believe it or not.  Stay away from Mpix, and Ritz they suck.

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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2009, 09:00:54 PM »
Thx for tips!
 Ohh man ...i just visited your website ! Amazing shots! Where did you take  those mountains landscape? Alaska? Rockies? You have some pics  better  than National Geographic@ photo gallery.

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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2009, 10:35:55 PM »
here are some that ive taken with my lumix 6mp:














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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2009, 10:40:41 PM »
and compared to using my mother's SLR ..l nikkon d40... (also 6mp i think)










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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2009, 12:06:27 PM »
I'll make a pitch for the Canon cameras.I used a Canon D60 since it was introduced,and even though it's only a 6.3 MP,the photos it takes are really nice.My only gripe was that you could only go up to 1000 ISO. You can pick up a D60 body really cheap these days.For general purposes, that 6.3 mp is more than enough. I upgraded to the Canon 50D earlier this year. 15 MP,ISO to 6400 plus 2 more stops on the exposure compensation. Lots of preset shooting modes,and the LCD screen on the back can be used as a viewfinder. You can get the Body and a lens for around 1500.00 new. You can get a used,or demo package at B&H photo for less. Lots of good quality stuff out there.You can't go wrong with any of the major brands.
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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2009, 02:42:02 PM »
Thx for tips!
 Ohh man ...i just visited your website ! Amazing shots! Where did you take  those mountains landscape? Alaska? Rockies? You have some pics  better  than National Geographic@ photo gallery.

Thanks for the kind words.  Most of my landscapes/wildlife shots are either Wyoming (Wind River range and Yellowstone/Grand Teton parks) or Montana (Spanish Peaks, Bridger and Beartooth ranges).  I've never been to Alaska, but I really really want to.  I've got tons of older landscapes/wildlife photos I should get on my webpage, but there all on 35mm or 6x7cm slide film, and I've been too lazy lately to get it all scanned.

here are some that ive taken with my lumix 6mp:

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Nice shots, I really like the B&W of the subway with the motion blur, good composition but the motion blur of the people and the train make it great.

I almost forgot; my #1 tip for everyone wanting to get the best possible images out of their DSLR.

Shoot in RAW, and expose to the right  This will make a little more work to do in post processing, but it is well worth it in my opinion.  I only learned and started following the expose to the right rule about a year ago, it has saved some photos that otherwise could not be saved, and it has helped get a lot more out of my digital images.  Basically "exposing to the right" lets you get more dynamic range, and less noise from digital sensors.

To really understand the science, and how's and why's check out this article.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml


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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2009, 04:15:04 PM »

Shoot in RAW, and expose to the right  This will make a little more work to do in post processing, but it is well worth it in my opinion.  I only learned and started following the expose to the right rule about a year ago, it has saved some photos that otherwise could not be saved, and it has helped get a lot more out of my digital images.  Basically "exposing to the right" lets you get more dynamic range, and less noise from digital sensors.

To really understand the science, and how's and why's check out this article.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml

Thanks for the link to that excellent article.  I've learned more about camera sensors from luminous-landscape than from any other source. 

Will have to give this a try on my 20D.
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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2009, 04:54:33 PM »
Nice shots, I really like the B&W of the subway with the motion blur, good composition but the motion blur of the people and the train make it great.


Thanks. I always have a hard time catching up to lingo.

Composition = ? (I infer its the point of view from where the picture is taken+whats in the picture?)

The motion blur was rather unintentional..the subway train sped past me as i was taking the pic :P

The two sets of pics i posted was to show you why I was looking into a dslr... the night pics of the space shuttle launch...it captures the sky perfectly... the pics of the same launch that were taken with my lumix (which I have in my computer in the US >< ) show mostly dark sky with only one thin line of clouds. Both cameras are 6mp (nikkon d40 and my lumix) so the difference has to be the lenses no? or what would it be?

my lumix has a tendency to capture colors very brightly though.. as you can see on the temple pic the reds and blues are very bright.. some pics of mine where i had a sky blue shirt almost look as if i was photoshopped into the pic. I take all those pics on the famous 'P' mode  :devil.

you check your PM saggs?

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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM »
Thanks. I always have a hard time catching up to lingo.

Composition = ? (I infer its the point of view from where the picture is taken+whats in the picture?)

The motion blur was rather unintentional..the subway train sped past me as i was taking the pic :P

The two sets of pics i posted was to show you why I was looking into a dslr... the night pics of the space shuttle launch...it captures the sky perfectly... the pics of the same launch that were taken with my lumix (which I have in my computer in the US >< ) show mostly dark sky with only one thin line of clouds. Both cameras are 6mp (nikkon d40 and my lumix) so the difference has to be the lenses no? or what would it be?

my lumix has a tendency to capture colors very brightly though.. as you can see on the temple pic the reds and blues are very bright.. some pics of mine where i had a sky blue shirt almost look as if i was photoshopped into the pic. I take all those pics on the famous 'P' mode  :devil.

you check your PM saggs?

Sorry if I went over your head there.  It is a good photo though, even if not intentional it worked!  That's how you'll learn, trial and error.

OK back to basics.  There are 3 major factors that go into creating a good photograph, Composition, Lighting and Exposure

Your right on composition, it is the most artistic part of photography, it is basically how you chose to show whatever the subject of the photo is.  There are a lot of guidelines for good composition you can learn more about if you want.  Things like the Rule of Thirds, framing, perspective, leading lines, S-curves, negative space.  Your right that the viewpoint from where you take the picture is part of composition, so is what lens you use, telephoto or wide angle.

Lighting is simply what lights up the scene, sunlight, moonlight or artificial light like flashes and lightbulbs, or a combination of both.  In landscape photography there is a whole lot of just sitting and waiting for the natural light to be right.

Exposure is your camera setting, or how you get the image have composed onto your film or sensor.  With digital photography there are 3 components of exposure.  Aperture, Shutter speed and ISO

Aperture, this is the part of the lens that controls how much light hits the sensor.  The smaller the number the bigger the opening, for example f32 is basically a pinhole, while f1.4 is humongous.  Aperture also controls the "depth of field" or how much of the scene in front of and behind the focus point is also in focus.  The smaller the aperture the greater the depth of field.

The shutter is the part of the camera that controls how long the light hits the sensor.  Shutter speed is usually measured in fractions of seconds like 1/60 or 1/500.  The faster the shutter speed the less chance you have of any movement (from you or the subject) creating blurs in your image. (but sometimes blur is good, like your image above)  So if you don't want blur you want the fastest shutter speed you can get with the lighting available, and the aperture you have set.  Most blur will come from your hands shaking the camera, not the subject moving, which is why photographers use tripods in low light situations.

ISO or sensitivity is how sensitive the digital sensor is to light.  You can crank up the ISO to 6400 and shoot hand held in very low light situations.  The problem is that when you crank up the sensors sensitivity to light, it also becomes more sensitive to all the electronic currents running the camera.  The higher the ISO setting the more electronic noise will be picked up, this noise translates to a kind of weird looking texture in your photos.

As for the difference in photos taken with a point and shoot and an SLR you mentioned.  It could just be that the Lumix underexposed the photo.  Or it could be lots of things I don't know.  They are both 6mp, and assuming they both have decent lenses, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them in prints up to 8x12.  In larger prints the SLR would start to look better, because even though they are both 6mp the sensor in the SLR is gonna be about twice the size of that in a P&S.  I won't try and explain it, but bigger sensors (even with the same # of pixel) equal better photos in large prints.  Even sensors of the same size and resolution from different manufacturers look just a little different.  Just like how Fuji 100 film looks different from Kodak 100 film.

I'll get back on you PM later Tac.

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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2009, 07:16:51 PM »
I'm not much of a photographer, I just kinda take a picture and hope it looks good.
I took this photo of the top turrent of a B-17, with an overcast sky behind it and just the photo it's self said
don't do anything to it it's perfect. Made me wonder what would have been going thru an air mans mind looking up
at the turrent in WWII, just before getting on board.



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Re: considering upgrading to an SLR - need some camera gurus help
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2009, 08:18:45 PM »
I shoot with a Pentax K10D and polarized filter. I went with the Pentax because I could use my old Pentax K-mount lenses. Funny thing is, I use either the kit lens or a Tamron 100-300mm for zoom (usually air shows) carried over from my old Pentax film SLR.

Proof that even an idiot can take a good picture with the right camera and a beautiful model:


Chicks dig guys with big cameras:


Same shot run through Adobe:


The right processing software can make a world of difference. Just look at those two photos above and you can see where Adobe "corrected" some of the picture.

Some hero shots:




Fun with light metering:


Fun with shutter speeds:


Did you say action photos?
















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