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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #135 on: June 03, 2010, 09:33:56 AM »
if what Hitech said here a few days ago is true......(WW2 interest is predicated on our fathers/grandfathers in that war) then this would be the next logical step..in both retaining old customers...and garnering new ones.

because he feels this way...I was also surprised to see the WWI arenas though.....so who knows.

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #136 on: June 03, 2010, 09:36:10 AM »
Interesting discussion of the advantages between those fighters.

Might be worth considering the opinion of an icon in fighter theory - Col. John Boyd, who flew in the war and whose work in combat theory sprang directly from analyzing the wide difference in K/D seen (to the F-86s advantage).

He credited the hydraulic control assist of the F86, which allowed the US pilots to execute maneuvers far faster (especially at higher speeds) than the manually controlled Mig could. This allowed the Americans to go through the process of the OODA loop (Observing events/Orienting their significance in the combat situation/Deciding the next move/Acting to make the move a reality; repeat)more rapidly and gain advantage that way.

The hydraulic control was an ace in the hole to be sure, but the OODA loop factor credit belongs to the canopy design of the 86, which allowed easier tracking of the enemy plane, and thus quicker reactions were possible. 
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #137 on: June 03, 2010, 09:53:00 AM »
I am heavily bored to tears with ww2 (I start yawning at the thought of it lol).  ww1 is a fresh start and despite some teething problems still holds my kindrid interest and in my case at least, continues the subscription. 

I would totally love a Korean war arena and think HTC should definately pursue it.  Unlike some, my approach to air combat history is not narrowly defined by a single era (or worse, a single plane type).  The entire history of it is what intrigues me.

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #138 on: June 03, 2010, 10:22:56 AM »
 take a look at the ww1 arena's...most of the time they are empty..that being said.trying to do a a whole different era whould be a HUGE undertaking...the resource's would be have to be taken away from the ww2 era NO
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #139 on: June 03, 2010, 12:13:35 PM »
take a look at the ww1 arena's...most of the time they are empty.  
It does make our argument look weak.  There is a reason for it and I hope HTC makes the necessary adjustments in the near future.  I am sure they will.

There will come a day, and it is not far off, when there simply will no longer be anything left worthwhile to do in the WW2 arena.  I would guess that HTC is 90% done with the bulk of WW2 and could wrap it up before 2011 if they had to.  But no, they will not.  Instead they have begun laying the foundation for the rest of their product. That's what the WW1 arena is all about.  The evolution of AH.  Korea will be next.  It is simply inevitable imo.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #140 on: June 03, 2010, 12:26:52 PM »
It does make our argument look weak.  There is a reason for it and I hope HTC makes the necessary adjustments in the near future.  I am sure they will.

There will come a day, and it is not far off, when there simply will no longer be anything left worthwhile to do in the WW2 arena.  I would guess that HTC is 90% done with the bulk of WW2 and could wrap it up before 2011 if they had to.  But no, they will not.  Instead they have begun laying the foundation for the rest of their product. That's what the WW1 arena is all about.  The evolution of AH.  Korea will be next.  It is simply inevitable imo.

great. another diversion like how WWI has been and is.
other than WWI being a test platform, i dont think that arena even pays off for it's server use.
if hitech opens another arena, AHII will be the jack of all arenas, master of none.

can we complete the planeset for WW2 first, please? before we move on to another arena?

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #141 on: June 03, 2010, 12:37:53 PM »
great. another diversion like how WWI has been and is.
other than WWI being a test platform, i dont think that arena even pays off for it's server use.
if hitech opens another arena, AHII will be the jack of all arenas, master of none.

can we complete the planeset for WW2 first, please? before we move on to another arena?

Im reminded of the scene in the great Santini where the dad is bouncing the basketball off his kids head extolling the dreaded squirt except the above post is more like the Austen Powers version.

Heres the keeping it real part: the addition of four new planes and a tiny terrain has not killed your AH2.  Nor will any other new plane or terrain kill your AH2. Jack of all trades master of none?  That is pure nonesense.  just my opinion, but its a good one.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #142 on: June 03, 2010, 02:45:54 PM »
MIG-17's didn't see action in the Korean Conflict..  I don't think P-47's did either..  
Anyhow, I'd much rather see them improve what we've already got....  There are models in the game that still have Octagonal front ends, for heaven's sake!!



You're correct, the Jugs never saw any action in Korea despite being better choice than the Mustang.  There were a greater number of Mustangs in the USAAF and ANG inventory, so that's why they saw action over there.


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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #143 on: June 03, 2010, 07:15:22 PM »
Im reminded of the scene in the great Santini where the dad is bouncing the basketball off his kids head extolling the dreaded squirt except the above post is more like the Austen Powers version.

Heres the keeping it real part: the addition of four new planes and a tiny terrain has not killed your AH2.  Nor will any other new plane or terrain kill your AH2. Jack of all trades master of none?  That is pure nonesense.  just my opinion, but its a good one.


i'm sorry. i know of the austin powers movies and don't find that kind of humor pleasant nor cerebral enough.
but i guess demeaning people with opinions that do not agree with yours is standard fare for your kind?

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #144 on: June 03, 2010, 07:26:07 PM »
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #145 on: June 03, 2010, 08:26:11 PM »
If a historical feel is what is wanted then I imagine an UN vs Communist arena (cousin to the
current  AvA arena) would suffice.  Having different set-ups reflecting diff parst of that war_
er, conflict.   But your point about "feel" is kind of moot given that AH offers mainly a fantasy
style of game with the "MA." I mean there's nothing about the current MA that has any
kind of  WWII "feel" to it with Spitfires shooting down B-24's and P-51's dogfighting P-38s.
Setting it up that way would result in 5ish players on the UN side attacking undefended North Korean bases hoping that maybe, tonight, somebody will show up and play for the North Koreans.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #146 on: June 03, 2010, 08:39:38 PM »
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« Reply #147 on: June 03, 2010, 08:46:41 PM »
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #148 on: June 03, 2010, 08:49:47 PM »
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Bunch of people in F-4s hoping for a MiG to up so that they can gang it, but mostly just attacking undefended bases.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #149 on: June 04, 2010, 12:42:22 AM »

i'm sorry. i know of the austin powers movies and don't find that kind of humor pleasant nor cerebral enough.

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