barrel roll defense

[Motherland]

Make it nice and larg so its not like you rolling in place, and barrel roll isn't a definsive manuver that will accomplish a whole lot, except spoiling his aim. If your in a better diver, when you barrel roll keep pulling up on the stick when you upside down and turn it into a split S.

For some reason I don't think you even know what a barrel roll is.

[Nemisis]

That was pretty much what ehe OP said he did. But a pure barrel foll under full power isn't going to turn the fight around. He said he had a problem with lack of E when he did what you did, so I'm not sure if its the same thing.

For some reason I don't think you even know what a barrel roll is.

Yes I do. A barrel roll isn't just making your plane spin without changing your position at all.

[JunkyII]

That was pretty much what ehe OP said he did. But a pure barrel foll under full power isn't going to turn the fight around. He said he had a problem with lack of E when he did what you did, so I'm not sure if its the same thing.


Yes I do. A barrel roll isn't just making your plane spin without changing your position at all.

The move I think the OP is talking about would be almost better describe as a flat turn into an immelmen which is probably the best thing you can do against a con with more E. You talk about doing a split S which makes me think your not quite their in your ACM(no offense) but I see a split S as being a last option when you dont have the E or time to preform this move. A split S really just buys you time to get more E to use in finding a way to making the fight a co E fight where its who can win a scissors fight which is normally rolling scissors where most "even" pilots get to

[boomerlu]

Hey Ardy, if I understand correctly your almost saying they are either doing a small YO YO to dump some E or they dont have as much E as you thought they did. If you have a plan that is closing on you slowly I would suggest maybe a split S to see if he will follow you down then cut throttle and preform the BR. Maybe that or point your nose down in the turn to get E and preform maybe another move but theat one will still work honestly.

I personally like a throttle off defensive spiral dive around corner velocity if you are nearly co-E. This will widen the E differential and your opponent will hopefully overshoot.

boomerlu I like to start a slow turn to appear "weak" and draw a con in nice and close. At about 6 to 800 Ill almost do an immelmen(preety much this BR this thread is about) to try to get a shot coming out. The defense against this is either out fight me(not a chance ) or hit wep to extend or go vert for a rope attempt.

Yup, that's pretty much what you showed me. Just as the con is about to get a shot solution, you roll and pull up in the immel/BRD which makes the con miss and also has the added benefit of setting up the reversal.

The con having much more E should naturally extend or go vertical as it can't out turn the slower plane. TC and Badboy's film on this pretty much showed it in spades.

[Nemisis]

The move I think the OP is talking about would be almost better describe as a flat turn into an immelmen which is probably the best thing you can do against a con with more E. You talk about doing a split S which makes me think your not quite their in your ACM(no offense) but I see a split S as being a last option when you dont have the E or time to preform this move. A split S really just buys you time to get more E to use in finding a way to making the fight a co E fight where its who can win a scissors fight which is normally rolling scissors where most "even" pilots get to

The OP states one of the problems being lack of E when he finishes the maneuver, if hes in a fight, and his problem is not having enough E, then he needs to build up some E, there for split S isn't an entirely inappropriate move.

And no offense taken Junky, I have no false illusions that I'm some sort of uber pilot. If there is a gap in my education, I'm willing to learn.

[JunkyII]

The OP states one of the problems being lack of E when he finishes the maneuver, if hes in a fight, and his problem is not having enough E, then he needs to build up some E, there for split S isn't an entirely inappropriate move.

And no offense taken Junky, I have no false illusions that I'm some sort of uber pilot. If there is a gap in my education, I'm willing to learn.

Your right, but the thing about a split S that I dont like is its like a flat turn just upside down(that might be hard to understand) it exposes your entire plane which is never a good thing but boomerlu said a spiral dive which would actually help with that maybe roll your plane till your wings are almost perpendicular with his(getting skinny). I like to nose down on wep to pick up extra E maybe a nose down turn into the BR to get some more might help with getting more E.

Yup, that's pretty much what you showed me. Just as the con is about to get a shot solution, you roll and pull up in the immel/BRD which makes the con miss and also has the added benefit of setting up the reversal.

yep I probably use this move too much seems like some people start learning the more times they dive on you so I would say mix it up a bit with maybe just a flat turn so they dont get wise on what your going for and if they follow you in the flat turn then preform a chandell(i think thats what it is) and just stay away from his guns till you both stall, then the fight is on like donkey kong

[Nemisis]

Oh I understand Junky. That is a good point. And thanks for the move, I bet I steal it.

[mechanic]

Heya Bat,
still got that film of me and maha in the AvsA? I know it is kind of off topic, but it'll show Noah what some of the extremes are on the F4U stall end of the envelope.....

I can not put it back up until the Trainer's website goes back up......

sorry TC had a busy weekend, didnt notice!

And ya know what, i didnt it would be there but i checked anyhow, turns out i got two of your films. Got a free storage space upgrade so i can keep them up indefinitely now.


http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/AvsAjuly29th2007_mahaKi84vsTCf4u1_10minutefight.zip - good times when maha was around, always a great fight and a good laugh.

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/TCinoverhishead_7vs1p51B.ahf  -  this one is pretty epic though not the f4u, 7 on 1 holding out for longer than should be possible.

[Noah17]

Mtman,

That film of you stall fighting w/Agent 360 was awesome.

You both got so slow I was expecting you to fall out of the sky like rocks LOL.

I'll be looking at that one a bunch.

Thanks again.