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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 02:01:07 AM »
The problem is that according to studies a certain percentage of flu vaccination receivers get symptoms like:

Anafylactic shock resulting in death (doctors are adviced to keep adrenaline at hand)
MS disease
Guillan-Barre syndrome

So if everyone takes the vaccination and 30% of population would actually catch the flu, 2/3 more people are subjected to the chance of getting the above results.

This means that a wide spread vaccination will probably end up maiming and killing more people than the flu would. And make the medical companies millions and millions richer.
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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 02:16:40 AM »
The problem is that according to studies a certain percentage of flu vaccination receivers get symptoms like:

Anafylactic shock resulting in death (doctors are adviced to keep adrenaline at hand)
MS disease
Guillan-Barre syndrome

So if everyone takes the vaccination and 30% of population would actually catch the flu, 2/3 more people are subjected to the chance of getting the above results.

This means that a wide spread vaccination will probably end up maiming and killing more people than the flu would. And make the medical companies millions and millions richer.

QFT

This variant of flu is no worse than any other in history.......... and in fact its only effecting a VERY SMALL percentage of the population compared to the normal seasonal flu

the risk of the vaccine causing you to develop severe reactions, some which result in you become as useful as a garden rock or worse dead, is far greater than the odds of becoming seriously ill enough to die from the flu

I like my odds alot better without the vaccine
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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 02:20:54 AM »
I like my odds alot better without the vaccine

Me too, that why no one at this home took it.
That, and...  Let's just say I have big trust issues.

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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 03:15:51 AM »

This means that a wide spread vaccination will probably end up maiming and killing more people than the flu would. And make the medical companies millions and millions richer.

You hit the nail on the head. This is not about people's safety...this is the drug companies making a whole lot of money.

Feel sorry for my neighbors to the south (USA)..... I hear some states are going "mandatory".  :confused:

One good thing.......... we have information at our fingertips, via the Internet. The "witches brew" that they mixed up is poison. Sad thing is most people are sheep, and will line up to get this shot thinking the Government has their better interest in mind. Ya right.... :rolleyes:

They will be hard pressed to inject that crap in my body.

Check out this video............... Mike Wallis from 60 Minutes in 1976 on this very topic

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam

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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2009, 03:20:31 AM »
I didn't want to get censored, but capera pretty much covered all I had to say.  Like i said, BIG trust issues.

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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 03:31:29 AM »
Censored?   :frown:

Little confused here...... do they censor people here on the Aces High message board?


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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 04:16:54 AM »
This flu is no joking matter, since it compares with the Spanish flu of 1918.
That one left one in three sick, of those 10-20% died. That makes 3-6% of a  population dead, Some insulated placed suffered much much more.
If the USA would have 3% dead, that would be 9 million corpses, - in some months. Makes the U.S. casualties of WWI + WW2 + Korea + Vietnam + the Gulf look like a joke all put together.
It is not to be expected though, and for 2 reasons mainly. Firstly the health and feeding standard of the population, and secondly the vaccination and clinical quality compared to the war torn world in 1918.
The flu is already catchy. In my local school, 10% or more are already sick. I do not know if the virus has mutilated yet, but my little country already had it's firs victim, - 18 yr old girl.
So, I'll bloody well get vaccinated when the stuff comes, as well as at least my younger daughter, - we are the ones that have got bronchitis, so we do not take lung diseases all too well. And thumbs up for the effort that lead to the vaccine, - it's been going on for more than ten years, beginning with the hunt for the original spanish flu virus, which was finally found in Alaska.
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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2009, 04:39:17 AM »
Evolution in action....or not....survival of the fattest?

Something has to kill you at some point, thats life. 
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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2009, 05:44:24 AM »
And some people breed themselves out by being so stupid, that they trust in fate rather than taking action to avoid unneccesary risk. Worse even, when people thake such decisions for others.
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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2009, 05:59:04 AM »
Censored?   :frown:

Little confused here...... do they censor people here on the Aces High message board?

Yes, political discussion has been disallowed in the O' club.  See O' Club forum rule #14.  Anything aproximating political speech might get censored.  So this conversation of the vaccine, in the context of the several points in your post, becomes quite political.

I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just answering capera's question.     :noid

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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2009, 06:29:45 AM »
The problem is that according to studies a certain percentage of flu vaccination receivers get symptoms like:

Anafylactic shock resulting in death (doctors are adviced to keep adrenaline at hand)
MS disease
Guillan-Barre syndrome

So if everyone takes the vaccination and 30% of population would actually catch the flu, 2/3 more people are subjected to the chance of getting the above results.

This means that a wide spread vaccination will probably end up maiming and killing more people than the flu would. And make the medical companies millions and millions richer.

That is a load of populistic and hysterical BS.

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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2009, 07:58:09 AM »
More people got sick from the vaccine than from the flu in '75.  That's not populistic and hysterical BS, that's recent history...

   Oh, and we were all worried about impending new Ice Age back in those days.

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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2009, 08:04:30 AM »
I think the fear of H1N1 is rather irrational given that it has killed far fewer than previous flu seasons and does not appear to be accelerating.

one of my customers is a pediatrician. i was talking to him about the swine flu the other day when he dropped his car off for work.
 he has 4 of his patients in the hospital right now with it. i had asked him what exactly the hype is, considering a lot of people say that the plain old flu is actually much worse.
 he said that the the thing that scares them about this one, is that although it's less likely to kill one, than the "normal" flu, it seems to have the ability to come out of nowhere, and strike younger, otherwise perfectly healthy people.

 i might be typing that slightly differently than how he phrased it........
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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2009, 08:09:42 AM »
Again, it's not the number it's killing but WHO it is killing...those being healthy young people in their mid 20's and 30's.  It isn't killing the older people and those that are immuno-compromised already, because they've already been exposed to the base genetics of this bug.  (generally accepted to be the 1975 H1)

I caught and was clinically diagnosed with H1N1, but barely developed any symptoms.  I suspect that is probably due to being exposed to the virus while a fetus, to which my doctor also agrees.  The person I caught it from was a visiting grad student to the lab I work in.  She's in the hospital on a ventilator, as she was one of the ones susceptible to viral progression into the alveoli. 

Irrational it is not.  If you are younger than 30, I'd suggest vaccination.  Russian roulette with one live round out of a thousand round clip is still russian roulette.

 hs anyone thought about just why this seems to kill younger "healthy" people?

 could it be, because younger people tend to take a pill for anything, whereas us old farts just ride it out when we don't feel good?

 i mean, c;mon.....listen to commercials. 1/2 of em are for some kind of drug. heartburn is a disease now, they have medications out the wazoo for allergies(mostly with side effects worse than the allergy), they have drugs to suppress womens periods, drugs for guys that can't get it up, drugs for just about ANYTHING.

 i would have to imagine it's mostly younge peeps taking these things. and (in my opinion) anything you take will cause SOME sort of d side effect. if it's for allergies, a cold, a bad cold, sore back, whatever.....it's going to lower your body's resistance to infections.
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Re: Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2009, 08:12:27 AM »
You hit the nail on the head. This is not about people's safety...this is the drug companies making a whole lot of money.

Feel sorry for my neighbors to the south (USA)..... I hear some states are going "mandatory".  :confused:

One good thing.......... we have information at our fingertips, via the Internet. The "witches brew" that they mixed up is poison. Sad thing is most people are sheep, and will line up to get this shot thinking the Government has their better interest in mind. Ya right.... :rolleyes:

They will be hard pressed to inject that crap in my body.

Check out this video............... Mike Wallis from 60 Minutes in 1976 on this very topic

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam

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Are YOU willing to gamble?

peace,
capera




i can't remember the last time i ever had a vaccination for anything.

o yea....and i won't be jumping in line to get one for this either.  :aok
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