Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Have you practiced criticism with the information of the library, like they've told you to do?

The information on their site does not differ from the information from the official sources. There are already known cases of people developing chronic symptoms after the shot.

Tell me, can you vouch that every link that you send is 100% accurate? Nobody can say that. Especially in a case like this where no real research information does not exist and many sources contradict eachothers.

If h1n1 is comparable to a normal flu only a retard would risk chronic symptoms trying to avoid it.

[batch]

I personally do not have a medical degree........ and have never diagnosed any disease accurately......

however neither does anyone else in this discussion.......

the best that any of us can do is look at ALL of the facts and make our best INFORMED decision

I cant say that Ive read 100% of every publication or story written in regards to H1N1.... but the ones I have read paint a very clear picture for me (thats me not anyone else)

Ive read the press releases from govt sources as well as independant sources both for and against ......... including most recently the CDC information posted yesterday

what I find for ME personally interesting is that the govt decided months ago there was no reason whatsoever to try to keep accurate numbers and confirm cases.... in fact the CDC report released yesterday clearly says their figures are based on estimates and assumptions........ for instance they "estimate" (based on the fact that the vast majority of cases {in their own words} were too minor to require medical attention) that for every 1 person who sees a doctor for H1N1 there are 80 people whos symptoms arent severe enough to seek medical attention

they also state that for every 1 person sick enough to be hospitalized there are 3 others who are hospitalized who havent been diagnosed with H1N1.........

where in the world do they make up these numbers is my first question....... my second question is if youre telling me that its 80:1 odds that if I get H1N1 I wont even become sick enough to see a doctor then where is the panic coming from??

on the other hand many other credible sources have stated the risks involved with the vaccine which are by the CDCs own account greater than the risk of serious illness from the disease

the only thing we have to qualify risks involved with the vaccine are known cases since the govt refuses to do any testing on the vaccine before it is released

as history has proven and by the govts own admission past cases of serious side effects have occurred at a high risk factor enough to warrant concern by ME

so for ME and mine there will be no vaccine of any type......... as for you... do as you wish

as for the link posted by Ripley...... it pretty well speaks for itself........ it says on there very clearly that they are neither promoting or discouraging the use of the vaccine...... they are simply trying to provide you with information to make your own informed decision.......

[Fishu]

Tell me, can you vouch that every link that you send is 100% accurate? Nobody can say that. Especially in a case like this where no real research information does not exist and many sources contradict eachothers.

First you want me to prove the information is false and now you say you cannot vouch for the accuracy. Thank you for your co-operation.

[Angus]

I was referring to the tetanus shot they give you if your last one wasn't within the last 5 years of the injury.  As far as the Pox vaccine is concerned, I wonder if you can pay a doctor to get it for you?

Nope. The Pox was exterminated with stiff use of Vaccine, but sadly it has not been kept. The last stock of the Virus that I heard of was in Russia, but "disappeared". In the cold war, it was being considered to use a mutilated pox variant as a weapon.
Pox is scary, and if it was still on the loose, you'd have to be a complete idiot NOT to get vaccinated. Same applies to the original Spanish flu of 1918. We do not yet know if the swine flu is as fierce, since there seems to be little information about the mutilation.

[OOZ662]

I wish they'd mutilate it, then we wouldn't have to worry about it. Sucks that it mutates instead.

[Fishu]

however neither does anyone else in this discussion.......

the best that any of us can do is look at ALL of the facts and make our best INFORMED decision

That is a problem. Nobody here has reliable information. The problem is that people give more weight to the sources that make them most afraid.

[batch]

as with anything there are always those who will be negative without becoming informed........ as I said earlier vise-versa there are just as many who will follow blindly

[Fishu]

as with anything there are always those who will be negative without becoming informed........ as I said earlier vise-versa there are just as many who will follow blindly

Please describe "becoming informed"; Is it becoming informed, if you read the alternative sources provided by 911 conspiracy theorists and consider those to be more reliable than the officials or experts?

What is going on here is that alot of the anti-vaccination sources in vaccination death cases rely on unverified cause of death - on a speculation. If and once the cause is found to be something else than the vaccination the errorneous information is not corrected, but the story of a vaccination death lives on. It's especially sad that the speculation is reported with huge headlines in the media, but the verified cause becomes a side note if it's different from the speculation. O tempora, o mores.

[Die Hard]

Nope. The Pox was exterminated with stiff use of Vaccine, but sadly it has not been kept.

The Pox is not exterminated yet. The last outbreak in the western world that I know of was in Sweden in the 70's I think. It keeps coming back though in the third world.

[batch]

try the CDC for a source............ at least in the US that would be the "horses mouth"

they cite that on average every year there are approx 3000-6000 unexplained cases of GBS (thats about 1-2 per 100K)

they cite that an additional 1 per 100K (thats 3000 people) develop GBS as a result of flu vaccines

other interesting statistics from the CDC (using data for years prior to 2009):

on average over 200,000 people are hospitalized with serious cases of the flu each year

on average over 36,000 people die from flu related illness each year

current statistics for H1N1 are below average for the first 9 months as compared to previous years (its only when they uses "assumed" or "estimated" data that it even comes close)

so far this year in the US there has been slightly over 5,000 confirmed hospitalization cases in the US of SOME type of flu (they decided not to classify specifically for H1N1 in their testing or at least in their publicized numbers) note: they 'estimate' there may be as many as 20,000 hospitalized but not confirmed cases

so far this year there has been slightly over 300 confirmed deaths in the US of SOME type of flu (again they decided not to classify specifically for H1N1 in their testing or at least in their publicized numbers) note: they 'estimate' there may be as many as 1200 deaths but not confirmed

now if you know a better source than the CDC Ill gladly read it

Edit: Its important to note IMO why exactly everyone is so up in arms about H1N1 vs every other year.....

While the "normal" seasonal flu does indeed kill as many or more and cause illness in as many or more each year......... this years variant is effecting a different group of people harder than normal

those who already suffer another type of ailment seem especially vulnerable this year..... as well as children (in fact of the 300 confirmed deaths 1/3 of them are children)

so as I said...... if you decide to take the vaccine based on your personal circumstances then thats for you to decide............

I personally dont feel its necessary for me and mine

[MrRiplEy[H]]

First you want me to prove the information is false and now you say you cannot vouch for the accuracy. Thank you for your co-operation.

Lol either you're a retard or you try hard to look like one. There's a difference with saying EVERY link is 100% accurate and asking you to prove your claims.

When I was talking about 100% accuracy I was referring to the text you cut/pasted from the site. Naturally they can't verify ALL their sources, especially this being the internet. Every major news corporation feeds out false information on daily basis - some of which is later corrected some are not. Helium balloon boy, anyone?

In medical cases the ABSOLUTE 100% correct truth now can be TOTALLY REVERSED the next year or even the next day. Thalidomide, anyone?

Not so many years ago the official absolute best treatment for the condition would have been blood-letting. The authority can have it so wrong but you have to believe since he's the authority. So when the healthcare organization claims the vaccination is TOTALLY safe despite several research information contradicting that, you're supposed to believe. And you seem to do.

It's easy to kill the credibility of that site, just pick one information on the site and prove it wrong. Should be easy enough. Hell you'll probably find SOMETHING.

[Viperius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpLdc4vMpFY&feature=player_embedded

Oh and they gave the drug companys legal immunity, so you can't even sue them if something goes wrong, neat eh?

Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their diddlying skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!

[allaire]

You throw away the little yellow book (the U.S. Department of Public Health International Certificate of Vaccinations) you were issued ?

You don't get those during basic.  As far as that goes the Air Force lost my medical records when I was a kid so.

[SkyRock]

"Desiree Jennings thought it would be a good idea to get the seasonal flu shot. Her job offered incentives for it, and she didn't want to get sick."

seasonal flu shot - not N1H1

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/health/One-in-a-Million-Shot-64189142.html

I do not take the seasonal flu shot....the last time I did, I got the most narly case of the flu I'd had in my life....  NO!....to the seasonal flu shot! 

[Fishu]

I guess that means the argumentation is over since it's gone to direct insults in the lack of a better response.


Batch,

As far as I know the exact reasons for developing GBS are still widely unknown as is the case with many other neurological syndromes too. What is known is that it usually happens after a viral infection, but sometimes after surgery or vaccination. This is hardly a reason to be afraid of vaccination, since the same can happen after a cold, which is a viral infection, that an average person contract's once or twice a year. A cold, flu and vaccine triggers the same mechanisms that can lead to the GBS. So in effect you're facing an equal risk once or twice a year as when taking a vaccine. In fact a regular flu has a higher risk of causing the GBS than vaccination. So you might be actually taking a smaller risk with the vaccine than if you contract swine flu.