Dora guns mounted in Jello?

[Raubvogel]

Ok, after missing the broadside of a barn one too many times, I decided to do a little test on the dora guns. What I found is that not only the MG151, but the MG131s disperse much more than they probably should. I took a 190D9 with both banks set to 400 convergence. I fired each set separately and recorded the width of the tracer path from max zoom out of external view. Then, I took a 190A8 with the exact same weapons and convergence and did the same. The results were pretty eye-opening and should be looked into ASAP.

Fw190D-9 Cowl guns:
     

Fw190D-9 MG151/20    

Fw190A-8 Cowl guns    

Fw190A-8 MG151/20    

As you can see, with the exact same weapon setup the dispersion varies greatly.


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[brady]

 
WTG!

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[StSanta]

No wonder normally lethal passes end up not killing an enemy  

Wonder how it was in real life?

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[R4M]

So, definitely it was NOT my shooting  

I knew something was wrong with the dora's guns, couldnt be I was missing 50 yards deflection shots all day long  

[Kratzer]

I got the impression from things I've read that the Dora was a very good gun platform...  something not illustrated by these screens.

[Kirin]

Hmm - that does not explain my tendency to die - but my tendency to not kill with otherwise 100% lethal shots...  

[Karnak]

And here I was thinking that I didn't think the MG151/20s would be that much harder to hit with after getting used to my Spitfire's Hispano MkIIs and my Zero's Type 99 MkIIs.  It took me a whole load of ammo, using 248 rounds from each gun to shoot down 1 Fw190F-8 in the worst case I had.

WTG Raubvogel, nice work.

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[hblair]

WTG Raub, I don't use tracers, so I never noticed any change in dispersion.

[TheWobble]

I tried to do that offline and I couldent..what conversion settings were you using?

When I tried it they fire as normal  ???

[Raubvogel]

Read my first post Wobble.

[Kratzer]

BTW - You draw like chit.

[Pongo]

I believe your mistaken.
Your dora shots are taken at a shallower angle then the A8 shots. As you approach the cone of fire the spread is greatly exagurated. I just did this with both planes and I have a healthy steam of concentrated fire with both.
The D9 seems to shoot just like a 2 cannon a8 to me so that is not suprising.

[Kratzer]

Pongo wrote:
 

Your dora shots are taken at a shallower angle then the A8 shots.

Actually, I think you are mistaken - it appears that he has taken the screenshots from the same angle in all pics - and why would he do other wise?

[Kratzer]

to back up that claim a bit...

his aircraft is the same distance from the text buffer in all shots.  At a different angle, the distance would vary.

[Raubvogel]

Well, I guesstimated the angle using the shadow under the plane. Looks pretty close to me. It might be a degree or 2 off, but I'm not sure that would toatlly account for the big difference. I did this test 3 times just to make sure it wasn't explained by something like that.