Author Topic: Luftwaffe P-38.... (Read 714 times)

pimpjoe · « **on:** September 24, 2001, 09:59:00 PM »

does this seem a little....odd to you guys?

brady · « **Reply #1 on:** September 24, 2001, 11:23:00 PM »

Nope:

How about this

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pimpjoe · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2001, 12:08:00 AM »

where did stuff like this come from?....still kinda new to WWII history

brady · « **Reply #3 on:** September 25, 2001, 12:20:00 AM »

http://www.unsere-luftwaffe.de/index.shtml

That is my favorate German sight.

These were more than likely planes that were shot down, crashed, or landed by mistake in German tertiority, they were painted in German collors and used for test and evaulation, clandistane, or whatever atacks. thier was a case with a P38 flow by an Italian piolet who got a bunch of kills aganst us in the med,Some B 17's(and i think B24's) were used by the Germans to sneak into US formations as straglers, they would link up and get in formation and thean Hose the heck outa the nearby planes.

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pimpjoe · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2001, 12:30:00 AM »

the picture i got came out of an american website though......the 357th fighter group or something like that.hmmm....maybe its one they recovered.

pimpjoe · « **Reply #5 on:** September 25, 2001, 12:36:00 AM »

is this not the ugliest plane you ever saw?

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butch2k · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2001, 02:13:00 AM »

German used almost every kind of Allied aircraft : Spits, Hurri, Typhie, Tempest, B-17, B-24, P-51, P-47, Yaks, Mig, La-5, I-16 and dozens more.
If you are interested in history of a particular aircraft contact me i may be able to help you.

Btw the Story of the P-38 shooting down B-17 and B-24 is just a myth...

fats · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2001, 04:38:00 AM »

The Germans had a unit which flew allied aircraft from air base to air base, teaching their pilots about the Allied planes. The performance and vulnerable locations for example. Dunno if they flew any operational missions where their goal was to engage the enemy.

The undersides of the planes were painted yellow to help recognition. I think IN ACTION or some other booklet series had one about these planes.

// fats

Pepe · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2001, 04:38:00 AM »

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Originally posted by pimpjoe:
does this seem a little....odd to you guys?

Yes, elevator should be bent, broken and falling, under that guy's weight

Cheers,

Pepe

butch2k · « **Reply #9 on:** September 25, 2001, 05:59:00 AM »

Circus Rozarius was only used for demonstrating aircraft to operational units so that they got acquainted with their ennemies' aircraft. Another well known unit operating captured type was the KG 200 which used them for clandestine operations as well as some offensive actions. Note that it was usual on the east front that front line units capturing aircraft used them rather than sending them back to Rechlin for evaluation. Most of the time it resulted in few Russian planes available for evaluation.

There are two Squadron signals books dealing with captured aircraft, they are nanes "Strangers in a Strange Land", volume one deals with US aircraft in German service while the second volumes deals with the aircraft captured by the Swiss.

The yellow paint was not standard on all aircraft, it depended on who used them.

butch2k · « **Reply #10 on:** September 25, 2001, 07:14:00 AM »

Even if it performed badly during testing, this one remain a favorite of mine :

HoHun · « **Reply #11 on:** September 25, 2001, 02:17:00 PM »

Hi Butch2k,

the DB605-engined Spitfire really is a highly remarkable aircraft!

Do you happen to know more about the tests? From what I've heard, the idea behind the conversion was to establish the efficiency of the Spitfire's cooling system - with disappointing results it seems, but I don't know any details.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

butch2k · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2001, 02:36:00 PM »

Yes i have some data about this aircraft, not much actually because there were serious problems in cooling the engine...

For test purpose the take-off weight of the modified aircraft was only 2730Kg since weapons and radios had been removed.
Due to oil temperature problems the hybrid max speed was 490Km/h at sea level. Moreover climb speed tests had to be stopped at 3000m due to rising oil temperature.

I have more detailled data somewhere, but i'm unable to remember i which book or file it is. I had a copy of this data on my hardrive for quick reference, but since it crashed pityfully last week i lost most of my reference material. I will have to search my big library to find it back...

Wilbus · « **Reply #13 on:** September 26, 2001, 09:21:00 AM »

There were some LW squadrons that flew captured airplanes in combat, mostly bombber squadrons I belive, pretty cool IMO

That ugly plane, is an I-15, right?

Dune · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2001, 10:32:00 PM »

In "Into the Wild Blue" by Ambrose, he tells the story of a group of 15th AF B-24's whose CO noticed a strange B-24 flying in the formation. He didn't recognize it and became suspicious. So he told all the gunners in the formation to aim at it. When the pilot saw the turrets training on him, they broke formation and headed for the clouds.

Ambrose never said for sure if it was a German-captured -24, but said that these things happened.

A really good book btw.