Author Topic: Why Ta152 shortchanged in MW50 boost? (Read 468 times)

fscott · « **on:** March 15, 2001, 09:59:00 PM »

According to LW records noted in the book by Dietmar Harmann, the Ta152H-1 is supposed to have 28 minutes of MW50 boost, not to mention 17 minutes of GM-1 boost. Our Ta152 has only 10 minutes of boost.

Someone please tell me, why this is the case? Why can't we have accurate boost time for the Ta152? I would like to know where HT got his data.

fscott

Sturm · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2001, 10:09:00 PM »

Depending on the boost which we have no control over GM-1 could last a very short time or a protracted time such as you have stated. MW-50 depending on amount stored could give you boost for up to 40 minutes. Not to mention being able to increase manifold pressure for extra HP. I feel the TA-152 is underpowered as well. Does turn nice for a FW, but climb is not so good, and acceleration even at 20K is rather sluggish. I did notice this a very stable gun platform no shake what so ever, but a perk plane? I hardly think the extra 30 rounds of Mk 108 and higher top speed at alt make it a perk plane.

Staga · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2001, 10:42:00 PM »

I can't see any reason why should I risk 50 points by taking Ta out of hangar?
Of course it could be good against Strato-Bombers but as long as bombers .50cals are what they are there's no point to use Ta.
F4U-1C can do much more damage in one pass than Ta and if it becomes a fireball it doesn't matter.

fscott · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2001, 10:48:00 PM »

Well right now I fly it for two reasons. 1) few people fly it, 2) The mystique of the "Ta152" is too much not to fly.

But I agree, if it's gonna be a perk, then for God's sake, give it the correct amount of MW50 and Gm-1 boost.

fscott

Ps. Oh but wait, we surely wouldn't wanna give an LW planes any extra advantages, like as in, modelling them corectly now would we...

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R4M · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2001, 01:40:00 AM »

MW50 could be used on boosts of 10 minutes only, then letting the engine cool down for 5 minutes. Then it could be used again.

In AH after you heat the engine too much, WEP turns off for a time to cool down. After it you can set WEP again for a very long time.

It is accurate as it is. Dora and 109G10 had 40 minutes of MW50, but they could use them in 10 minutes applications.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2001, 07:34:00 AM »

109, 190 and Ta152 had different engines, so different times for continuous usage of MW50. This is also true with subvariants: 109G6 (should have MW50 in AH), 109G10, 109K, etc.

Vermillion · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2001, 08:41:00 AM »

RAM has it correct. While you may have a total 40 minute MW50 supply, you can only use it in 10 min blocks to keep from overheating the engine.

Both the 109G10 and the Dora are the same way.

Its not a conspiracy, its just the way it was.

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Lephturn · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2001, 08:42:00 AM »

All WEP times are "standardized" to a degree in AH. The P-47D had a lot longer water injection as well. However, there are some thing to take into account here. IE:, shouldn't the WEP time be affected by the fuel multiplier? It doesn't make sense otherwise. The WEP times are simplified for gameplay reasons. WEP burns for x period of time, and then taxes 2x to recharge again. It's a simplified model for all planes, not just for the Loosewaffle planes.

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Fishu · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2001, 08:51:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Lephturn:

All WEP times are "standardized" to a degree in AH. The P-47D had a lot longer water injection as well. However, there are some thing to take into account here. IE:, shouldn't the WEP time be affected by the fuel multiplier? It doesn't make sense otherwise. The WEP times are simplified for gameplay reasons. WEP burns for x period of time, and then taxes 2x to recharge again. It's a simplified model for all planes, not just for the Loosewaffle planes.

Fuel modifier is there just to reduce ranges.. not the combat.

fscott · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2001, 11:10:00 AM »

Verm, RAM, MW50 is noted to COOL the engine when used. At least that is what is said in Deitmar's book.

fscott

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2001, 12:09:00 PM »

You are correct fscott. MW50 was used as cooler and antidetonation mixture to be able to "overstress" the engine for longer periods and at higher regimes. I dont know if there were some regulating device to activate automatically the usage of MW50 when MAN or rpm exceeds some point.
I've read some real pilotw reviews where MW50 cant help for longer periods than 5 mins in 109G6. Other reviews talk about periods of more than 10 mins for Doras, etc. Obviously, all depends on the resintance of the engine, and all those planes used different ones.

Lephturn · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2001, 02:48:00 PM »

Yes Fishu, but if you can leave your WEP on for 30 minutes, as a percentage of your combat time, the WEP gets all out of whack. That's why it's not necessarily "realistic" IMHO.

The Jug had a HUGE water injection tank, and you could run it for quite a long time. I don't know the details, but I suspect the Jug would have one of the longest WEP times in the game if it was modeled "realistically". However, in conjunction with the fuel multiplier we run, it wouldn't make sense to give any plane more than 10 mins worth.

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Fishu · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2001, 11:04:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Lephturn:
Yes Fishu, but if you can leave your WEP on for 30 minutes, as a percentage of your combat time, the WEP gets all out of whack. That's why it's not necessarily "realistic" IMHO.

The Jug had a HUGE water injection tank, and you could run it for quite a long time. I don't know the details, but I suspect the Jug would have one of the longest WEP times in the game if it was modeled "realistically". However, in conjunction with the fuel multiplier we run, it wouldn't make sense to give any plane more than 10 mins worth.

Combat usually doesn't go half faster...
So it would be quite wepless fight in some planes and that would cause alot squeaking.
not a good idea.

Though, what plane has wep of 30 minutes?

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juzz · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2001, 11:48:00 PM »

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Originally posted by fscott:
Verm, RAM, MW50 is noted to COOL the engine when used. At least that is what is said in Deitmar's book.

fscott

Duh - you need to cool the engine, because it's going to overheat like a bastard when you run it at 1.8 ata, not to mention detonation...

If you want to know more about water injection, NACA report # 756 deals with the subject. http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/

Wilbus · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2001, 08:25:00 AM »

In AH with German planes WEP last for about 10 minutes.
You gotto "reload" it by haveing it shut down for 15-20 minutes.
In real life you could run it 10 minutes, cool it 5 minutes, run it 10 minutes etc till you ran out of cooling fluid.
Should be modelled in AH, together with more TA152H-1 (wich was produced in higher numbers tne the H-0).

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Author Topic: Why Ta152 shortchanged in MW50 boost? (Read 468 times)

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