Bomber Guns

[thndregg]

I think people are really fishing for ways to justify making bomber killing easier for them. I think it's an attempt to justify steering this game into the favor of the "immediate gratification" crowd, those that choose not to learn patience in this genre' of online games. You will notice after all these years of AH being in exsistence, Hitech has not made any drastic changes to bombers to favor the fighter pilots. Ask him (as in, ask the originator of the game) why and why not, for a change.

[BnZs]

Evidence, though I know you despise it, is clear on that count.

I can't believe you have the gall to say this after admitting you know the buff guns are excessively accurate compared to reality, but believe this should be maintained for "balance".

Hmmm, wouldn't it be simpler to manipulate the flight models to eliminate the need for the knotty and controversial perk system? Million examples like that, IF we are willing to throw out the principle of modeling physics and not "the war".

That has no effect on this.  Unless you are assuming that HTC would implement all of your suggestions you cannot in good faith advocate positions requiring other suggested changes.  You have to look at it as though the suggested change would be the only change from the current live MA environment.

You cannot in good faith justify using one flaw in the game in justify another.

And Anax made a good point as well. Why are only buffs given special treatment in regards to teamwork or lack thereof? For instance, it is impossible for any tank to survive under attack planes without either air or flak support, but there is no such thing as the "flak" drone.  

[BnZs]

I think people are really fishing for ways to justify making bomber killing easier for them.

Nope, I am quite happy to make red bombers easier for *all* the green guys to kill. Come to think of it, I'm quite happy to make green bombers easy for the red guys to kill as well.

[Beefcake]

Err nevermind, I shouldn't post while I'm asleep.

[Boxboy]

LOL I get tired of all this blather about guys INSISTING on a 6 oclock attack position, with the speed of bombers in this game and their alt advantage (usually), and if I recall right the bomber can be "steered" using rudder pedals while in the gunners position, not attacking from the 6 oclock is VERY difficult and 1 to 2 minutes to setup is a joke right.

This subject is like affrimative action, if you get the benefit from it you love it and if you get the shaft from it you hate it.

[Lusche]

, not attacking from the 6 oclock is VERY difficult and 1 to 2 minutes to setup is a joke right.

No it isn't "very" difficult.
Oh, it's more difficult than attacking from dead 6, but almost all the time the bombers are flying straight & level at steady speed, so it's actually much less difficult than attacking an enemy fighter. The only  time it's getting really difficult is at very high altitudes (20+ k), but most bombers are flying way below that.
And of course you shouldn't attack to kill a bomber with each attack - that would indeed be difficult, but you don't have to. The main advantage of slashing high-speed attacks is that you will live to try another one. A simple-six attack (tm) seems easier because of the higher probability to kill 1 bomber before you go down, but other forms of attack have a much higher chance of getting all three of them.
But like all things, it has to practices a bit. If you are not used to it, you may collide a few times before getting some feel - but it's not a thing that you have to practice for months to get any amount of success.

And regarding the "2 minutes are a joke" - Most fighters are at least 100 mph faster than the bombers. 100mph means 5k yards relative distance gain in 2 minutes.

[thndregg]

Lusche, maybe we should film a sortie much like how you busted up our Ki67's a few nights ago. Nice tactics.

[Lusche]

Lusche, maybe we should film a sortie much like how you busted up our Ki67's a few nights ago. Nice tactics.

Oh thank you, but that particular sortie was indeed a very lucky one. The Ki-67 is the only bomber I really dread, and I have rarely that much success against them as I had that night.
And when I noticed who I did attack, I pondered how much I should press my luck

Anyhow, here's the film: http://www.mediafire.com/?xlzizwlzik4

[thndregg]

Your luck was holding out. My top 20mm turret kept running out of traverse at the angles you were coming in at. Couldn't hit you. Was fun anyway.

[Boxboy]

[quote author=Lusche link=topic=277528.msg3492334#msg3492334 date=1257856152

And regarding the "2 minutes are a joke" - Most fighters are at least 100 mph faster than the bombers. 100mph means 5k yards relative distance gain in 2 minutes.
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LOL you don't play the same AH I do Snail, how many fighters in the plane set are 100 mph faster than the Lanc or B-17?

Slashing attacks are "easy" to setup if you are coalt or higher to BEGIN with, if you have to climb to the bomber set, it will take a hell of alot longer than 2 minutes to setup and while he is flying straight and level at 300 plus you are climbing at a much slower speed OR a very low climb rate to keep up with the bomber either way (unless ur in a 262) it will take longer than  1 or 2 minutes

[Lusche]

LOL you don't play the same AH I do Snail, how many fighters in the plane set are 100 mph faster than the Lanc or B-17?

I guess you are judging more by feel than by actual numbers - Almost all of them are:



Or feel free to use AH's own speed comparison tool: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/planeperf.php

if you have to climb to the bomber set, it will take a hell of alot longer than 2 minutes to setup and while he is flying straight and level at 300 plus you are climbing at a much slower speed OR a very low climb rate to keep up with the bomber either way (unless ur in a 262) it will take longer than  1 or 2 minutes

Please note that I always talk about 2 additional minutes after you already climbed up to him
It's about  players spending 5-15 minutes getting to the buffs and then lacking the patience for just a few additional minutes to set up his attack. and this is exactly what is getting them killed. I see that stuff every day.

[thndregg]

It's about  players spending 5-15 minutes getting to the buffs and then lacking the patience for just a few additional minutes to set up his attack.

[Strip]

The only real challenge when it comes to bombers is patients....

Give me altitude and speed on one of them, well, its going to be a quick ride for them.

Even with four 50 cal birds....

Strip

[Boxboy]

Well I stand corrected 

[Karnak]

I can't believe you have the gall to say this after admitting you know the buff guns are excessively accurate compared to reality, but believe this should be maintained for "balance".

The difference is that I acknowledge that data, but you deny or ignore any data that disagrees with your opinion.