Nightfighters...have we been there lately?

[321BAR]

Night fighting aircraft, were not always limited to night fighting.  I don't feel that night needs to be a requirement to have a night fighter. P-61A/B has always been my choice for a AH fighter.  Of course there will always be the anti crowd with their "there's no night" or "we need more early planes" and of course "we have to many US planes". 

As for the radar, since we have AH Radar, I dont see a point in modeling it.

there's no night, we need more early planes, we have too many US planes...

[Nemisis]

Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game. Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber), Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think, as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes. IDK about England for fighters and I KNOW bombers could use some work.

Name some major holes in the set, and lets see if its more urgant than an accurate, and functioning terrain.

[Motherland]

Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game. Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber), Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think, as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes. IDK about England for fighters and I KNOW bombers could use some work.

Name some major holes in the set, and lets see if its more urgant than an accurate, and functioning terrain.

You really have no clue

[321BAR]

no clue? god i dont think he ever could have got the clue

[fbEagle]

I agree we should have the P-61 along with night arenas and airborne radar +1 

[DREDIOCK]

Untill they add night time to the MA's then no.

I've seen this argument used when making the case against having the P-61 black Widow. That because we dont have night. We shouldnt have the night fighters.
If we were bound to the idea of historical accuracy I'd agree. But outside of the planes used in our "war" There is very little historically accurate in our game.
So this argument makes no sense.

Consider this
We have a game where we have dive bombing B-17's and other heavy bombers. Something which can only be described as at very best, very rare. Probably even more rare then P61's fighting during the daytime.

Euro planes fighting with and against Pacific planes.

If this game were historically accurate. Lancasters would be doing most of its bombing at...night

Each plane has on board radar which can cover. Thousands of square miles. And radios that can transmit thousands of square miles.

Bases, and ships that suffer no ill effects from bad weather or ocean/surf conditions

Bushes and small trees that can flip 50+ ton vehicles completely upside down.

Not to mention Axis and allied vehicles fighting together on the same side

And a host of other things.

Now i understand that concessions are made for the sake of gameplay. This is after all a game. Not a historical simulator. And one of those concessions has turned out to be. No night.
And that is why the "Because we dont have night" argument holds no water whatsoever.

[DREDIOCK]

Why would we need the night fighter version of the ME 262?  It absolutely brings nothing to the game that the existing Me 262 A-1a doesn't already bring and offers nothing new.


ack-ack

That I would agree with.
and besides. as I mentioned in the post above.
All planes, Boats and vehicles already have radar.

Hell even the guy in the parachute has radar lmao

[guncrasher]

I've seen this argument used when making the case against having the P-61 black Widow. That because we dont have night. We shouldnt have the night fighters.
If we were bound to the idea of historical accuracy I'd agree. But outside of the planes used in our "war" There is very little historically accurate in our game.
So this argument makes no sense.

Consider this
We have a game where we have dive bombing B-17's and other heavy bombers. Something which can only be described as at very best, very rare. Probably even more rare then P61's fighting during the daytime.

Euro planes fighting with and against Pacific planes.

If this game were historically accurate. Lancasters would be doing most of its bombing at...night

Each plane has on board radar which can cover. Thousands of square miles. And radios that can transmit thousands of square miles.

Bases, and ships that suffer no ill effects from bad weather or ocean/surf conditions

Bushes and small trees that can flip 50+ ton vehicles completely upside down.

Not to mention Axis and allied vehicles fighting together on the same side

And a host of other things.

Now i understand that concessions are made for the sake of gameplay. This is after all a game. Not a historical simulator. And one of those concessions has turned out to be. No night.
And that is why the "Because we dont have night" argument holds no water whatsoever.

aint war hell 

semp

[EDO43]

Yes, the MA has a global radar that works within a 12.5 mile radius of each base.  Pork the base radar and you're blind outside of the generic bar radar which tells only that there's aircraft in the sector.  Knock out the homeland radar and it all goes down (until mass goons resupply it 15 minutes later).  And what about those areas that have no "dot" radar? Think of the airborne radar of a night fighter that is immune to porking (outside of being shot down).  With a range as I indicated in my initial post, a base without radar or an area without coverage might still get valuable intercepts by the radar equipped night fighters.  Oh, and for the record, the radar worked in the day time too, it was just attached to fighters that prowled the night sky looking for after dark intruders mainly because eyesight doesn't work too well at night (in the WWII context) beyond a certain range.  P-61's flew in the day time as well.  I have several pictures of Widow's flying in the daylight on combat sorties over Europe and Asia so that really puts a hole in the "Only if we have night in the arena" argument.  Yes, the aircraft were primarily used at night but since when have the players of AH used aircraft exlcusively in their intended, historical roles?  I'll also go as far as to say that if HTC did implement the airborne radar, even on an experimental basis, everyone who's chimed in either for or against will fly an AI equipped aircraft and use the AI radar either for EW or direct engagement...you know you would.

As a further caveat, I'd suggest that the airborne radar sets be limited to the same altitude minimums as the global radar. In addition, I'd suggest that the aircraft be airborne (1000 ft AGL) before the AI radar could be activated to prevent the runway sitters from providing radar coverage for a base w/porked radar.

[AWwrgwy]

Actually, IIRC, most night intercepts were directed by ground-based radar.  Aircraft, radar equipped or not, still needed to be pointed in the right direction to find their target.

You would also need to turn off icons for radar to be needed as icon range is pretty close to effective early airborne radar range.

And, with the ability to adjust your gamma, you can turn "night" into day anyhow.


wrongway

[Ack-Ack]

Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game. Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber), Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think, as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes. IDK about England for fighters and I KNOW bombers could use some work.

Name some major holes in the set, and lets see if its more urgant than an accurate, and functioning terrain.

Honestly, you should really stop making posts like this.  All it does is show you have absolutely no clue at all about fighter planes or probably anything else for that matter.  Please, read a book and learn something.


ack-ack

[Unit791]

Nightfighters...have we been there lately?

Yes, end of discussion.

[EDO43]

See Rule #4

[lyric1]

Consider this
 Probably even more rare then P61's fighting during the daytime.

In most theaters of operation I have read about the P61 was so good at the job there was not much left to shoot at during the night. So most were turned over to day operations bombing rocket attacks and strafing.

[Unit791]

See Rule #4

Lmao, no, you don't need to necessarily post something to "be there", in our minds we are constantly revisiting the ideas, but before we type, we retract the idea because as we all know, it will never happen.  Its not "crapping on your idea", its constructive criticism.