Hispano's on the Typhoon & F4U-1C

[Vermillion]

On Sunday I flew my first Typhoon sortie since it first came out.

I was generally trying to see what its limits were with the new FM, and not concentrating on living.

I ended up in a low turnfight with a 190 that gave me plenty of opportunities for both tracking shots and snapshots up close, until HT nailed me from my high 6 when I wasn't paying attention.

The real suprising issue for me was the cannons (besides the radical FM change). Not only couldn't I hit anything with them, the few pings I did land seemed to be totally ineffective.  This was quite a contrast to my experience with the -1C.

Didn't the Typhoon mount the Hispano MkII just like the -1C? Or did it have the Hispano MkV cannons?

Even if it had the MkV's, I wouldn't have expected to see that significant a  difference between the two. If anything I would have expected an improvement.

So am I just inexperienced in the Tiffie or do others notice this difference?


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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Pongo]

The spit, typhy and f4u1c all have the same cannon.

[Westy]

 Hey Verm!    
 I flew the Tiffie a few times last night and had no problem destroying a B17 and another Tiffie at 600 yards at all. Not alot of ammo expended either on each.
 I'm wondering if the convergance of the Tiffies guns have a great effect on this issue or if maybe there has been some unknown side effect from (or bug) 1.04 that has some video/soundcard owners not hi8tting what they think they are shooting at. Not a gunnery or FM bug but an oddity that effects some type of hardware users?

 I volunteer to be a target drone if you want.

 -Westy

[juzz]

Hispano Mk V's were first used on the Tempest, I think.

Tempest Mk V series I wing with Hispano Mk II
 

Tempest Mk V series II wing with Hispano Mk V
 

Images stolen from The Hawker Tempest Page

[funked]

My Tiffie guns work great.  Don't fly C-hogs so I can't compare.

[Jigster]

I blow alot of horizontal stabilzers with one or two rounds with the Tiff guns. It's absolutely brutal in a deflection situation  

- Jig

[Fishu]

In my testings Hispano is totally super cannon... 1-2 hits / per piece at least up to 480 yards.
IMHO, I think it is exagerated when it is that powerful.
Let's look into .50 caliber and MG151/20, both are almost equal(!) in tests.. MG151/20 just a slightly more powerful, but that is lost with .50 calibers rounds per minute and accuracy. (in my estimation, .50 caliber delivers twice more punch within short time than MG151/20 in AH).

I hope Hispano gets tuned down a bit or MG151/20 gets more powerful.

[Pongo]

fishu.
one or two hispano rounds will not typically kill a fighter. It is possible but rare.

[funked]

1 or 2 rounds will usually knock a part off the fighter though, in my experience.  Not always, but it's common.

[Westy]

"I hope Hispano gets tuned down a bit or MG151/20 gets more powerful."

 That sentence is why I feel many of your posts are whines Fishu. It is totally bullsheiss. Each gun should be modelled according to what it really can do and not from some kind of see-saw balancing effect for playability.  If the Hispano is too good, then get it fixed. If the MG121/20 suck then get it fixed. And prove it. Don't have one gun or the others perfomance changed as a consession to the others because they feel somehting should be better.
 They're different guns and should perform different. If, as has been shown by Pyro and others, the MG121/20 gun is inferior to the Hispano then live with it. It's not a conspiracy.
 
 -Westy
 

[StSanta]

Westy, well, there *is* the issue about AP vs HE.

Not sre what Hispano 20mm's are, but anti tank strafing indicate AP.

AP's would go straight through an aircraft (not counting engine) and cause damage only to the things it passes through. HE would spread out a far bit more.



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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[Jerry B]

It depends on what version of the Hispanos are modelled. The earlier version wasn't too good, which is why the Soviets didn't acquire them and went ahead designing their own 20mm cannons. They were good for A-2-G work, but AFAIK their rate of fire was not fast enough for most air-to-air situations (same as the LW's 30mm cannons).
As for AP vs HE, APHE is probably more correct. APHE rounds penetrate, then explode. This is what the LW used for their 15,20 & 30mm cannons (amongst other types of rounds), and (AFAIK) the RAF in it's Hispanos.

[Vermillion]

And then again Santa, there is the issue that Pyro has said that the ammo reflects the "effect" of mixed ammo belts. And its that way for every aircraft.

So thats why you get the effect you are seeing.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Duckwing6]

Verm sounds you had some rubber bullets there .. with the "relatively" high traffic lately mabbe some of your hit packets were dropped or sent by snail mail ...

So far it never mattered what cannon nailed me .. it was always just a few pings

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Westy:
"I hope Hispano gets tuned down a bit or MG151/20 gets more powerful."

 That sentence is why I feel many of your posts are whines Fishu. It is totally bullsheiss. Each gun should be modelled according to what it really can do and not from some kind of see-saw balancing effect for playability.  If the Hispano is too good, then get it fixed. If the MG121/20 suck then get it fixed. And prove it. Don't have one gun or the others perfomance changed as a consession to the others because they feel somehting should be better.
 They're different guns and should perform different. If, as has been shown by Pyro and others, the MG121/20 gun is inferior to the Hispano then live with it. It's not a conspiracy.
 
 -Westy
 

Whatever...
But difference between those two guns is too great, even if just looks to yaks ShVAK.