new planes for 1.07.......

[Grumble]

As a flyer of Italian Types i suppose i would only ask for the Fiat G.55.  Think of it as a more maneuverable FW190 with almost as much punch (3-20mm and 2 .50's) but slower(as far as Max speeds) yet climbs better.  Lets not worry about Italian bombers lest i laugh  .

Outside of that the Japanese plane flyers could get the Ki-84 and maybe a Ki100 (easy to adapt to Ki61 for mid war later.  Could change out the Ki100 right now for a J2m3 interceptor (an E fighter with plenty of punch, a Jap Fw190 but slower).

The British Pilots could get maybe a Mark XII Griffon that could go faster than La-7's at lower alt but stunk above 20K.  Then to keep play balance in MA perk the Spit XIV (although Historically it was much produced)
even if its only 20 pts or so.

Add the option for Gyro sights to planes they were available for (fw190D, P51, Spit XIV and later version IX).  Or maybe even perk that for a few points.

I know the Perk Spit XIV will draw fire but im just thinking of play balance (which im sure HiTech thinks about as well).  I agree it shouldnt need to be perked if you look at the production numbers compared to either Tempest and Ta152.

Then maybe a mystery plane??? something weird and perkable, hmmm (still thinking on that one).

Take Care,


Knock <--- flyby name

Been online flight simmin since 1991 on GEnie AirWarrior as IVAN

(couldnt change Grumble name on forum )

[TheWobble]

About time somebody started a thread for new planes that were not 90% luthwaffa!

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More Itilian planes
More Jap planes


we have plenty if US
PLENTY of luthwaffa stuff
plenty of brit stuff.

[kreighund]

Actually, A He-100D would just do me just fine...for the Battle of Britain dogfights..I have one for CFS2 and when in the 1940s arena it relly can hold its own..turn rate.. sustained not so great but instant is great..then re-gunning to 3 x MG151/15..good rate of fire and flat trajectory...I like being 50 mph faster than the rest......been flight simmin since the board game Foxbat and Phantom in '73......

[Nashwan]

Should the Spit XIV be a perk?
The old fighter pilot maxim is "speed is life"
With apologies to fscot, whose chart I nicked and modified (badly)
 
The Spit would have some advantages over the planes above, turn rate, Hispanos, and climb.
Most of the other planes would have advantages as well. Speed down low, where most combat takes place, roll rate, dive speed, and a much larger ammo load. Around the 10k mark the Spit is a lot slower than many of the other late war planes.

[Tac]

"turn rate, Hispanos"

That's enuff for me. PERK IT  

I would like to see a French or any plane from other countries besides US, Italy, Germany and Japan. Never seen a sim have them, would be interesting.

BTW, P-38D, P-38J and P-38K (as perk) please!          

[Karnak]

Spitfire MkXIV will probably have to be a perk, hopefully a cheap one though.

Nashwan,
You sell the Spit XIV short on speed.  According to the chart you have it would top out at about 430mph.  It could do 448mph at 27,000ft.
Keep in mind that sheer speed is not all that needs to be considered in whether or not a unit needs to be perked.  The Spitfire has very nice handling, and even retains much of that into high speed flight.

Grumble,
A G.55 would be nice, but I think you sell the Italians short on bombers.  The S.M.79-II would be quite usable, at least as much as the Ju88A-4 that we have now is.
The Ki61-IIb would be a good choice as would the J2M3.  A Ki67 or P1Y1 would be a good Japanese bomber.  I'd like to see the H8K2 "Emily" introduced as the first seaplane.
You are mistaken about the SpitXII being faster than the La7 at low altitude.  The SpitXIV, with its more powerful Griffon could only do 363 at sealevel.  The La7s 380 at sea level is faster than any Spitfire.
I believe HiTech has said that they will never do Gyro gunsights.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Nashwan]

Well it looks more like 440mph to me, but I had problems with snap to grid function on photoshop. An artist I aint.

[Dowding]

Il-2, Pe-2 or Mossie. Preferably all three.

No more LW until we get more Japanese/VVS A/C. Except maybe the Stuka.

[Replicant]

 

Originally posted by Dowding:
Il-2, Pe-2 or Mossie. Preferably all three.

No more LW until we get more Japanese/VVS A/C. Except maybe the Stuka.

Totally agree, any (all) of these, or at least a Beaufighter or Stuka (with dive bomber/flak cannon option).

Regards

Nexx

PS Still waiting for a Hurricane IIB/C/D  

[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 03-18-2001).]

[Thud]

Used in ETO, PTO and Russian Front. Gotta have! The rest of 1.07 Japanese/VVS...

 

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Thud/Bies

Bring the Hurricane (MKIIC) to AH (Together with the Invader)

[Spritle]

How about a completely Japanese planeset for 1.07?

Ki-43 (When you need to turn inside anything)
Ki-44
Ki-61
Ki-84
Ki-100
G4M2 (Can carry a torpedo and has a 20mm tail gunner station).

Spritle

[DoKtor GonZo]

If we're talking about planes for scenarios, then AH needs to start going more early war. Most of the crucial air battles were fought prior to 1944, afterall. So, in addition to 1942-3 vintages of our current lot, we could ask for:

- P-40
- Hurricane
- F4F
- Ki-61

For ground-pounding, regardless of the year of the war, how about:

- Sturmovik
- Pe-2, A-26B, Beaufighter
- Hs129 (kills panzers dead)
- SBD Dauntless 0r SB2C Helldiver (as long as they install a divebombing sight - in which case, add the Ju87-D and -G)
- B-25 (in all it's many forms)

And, for "other planes" which would be fun:

- Yak-3
- Spit XIV
- Me110 and Ju88 night fighter versions (HO beasts)
- Mosquito
- Ki-84
- Wirbelwind (Ostie w/quad 20's)

[Grumble]

SiSU:

Quote:
***You are mistaken about the SpitXII being faster than the La7 at low altitude. The SpitXIV, with its more powerful Griffon could only do 363 at sealevel. The La7s 380 at sea level is faster than any Spitfire.***

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak
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Sisu,
yes their is a small descrepancy in speeds between the La7 and Spit XII however, this is only 8 to 10MPH and is set off by the superior roll-rate and manouverability of the Spit XII.  I have the Spit XII at 372MPH @ less than 5K.  She would be faster than the IX at all alts up to 20K, then loose rapidly because of her single-stage two-supercharger engine being optimized for low alt work against FW190's on hit and run coastal raids (and also V-1's).  This is probably the best mix of IX and XIV to maintain play balance IMO.  In retrospect the XIVc (see a few sources below) could only manange 357MPH at sea Level(she wasnt a clipped wing plane).  BTW the max diving speed on the XIVc is only 470MPH and it wouldnt take long to get to that either.

As far as the Gyro sights, that may be HiTech's opinion but system management is coming to sims soon , whether that be Gyro sights or Engine/Prop/Manifold Management. IN the quest for greater realism it will happen. I.E. Targetware and probably others to follow.  I like AH and would play with or without Gyros either way. Just my 2 cents worth.  But in the sake of history the Gyro's always required time for the Gyro to settle which would often throw off the Aim anyhow.  Just be interesting for realism.  To compare Airwarrior has had gyros since i flew it 1990 (with Hitech and Blue Baron and others to numerous to name) and most of the best pilots didnt want to mess with it .  Just like the Better shot aces in WW2.  Once you have an understanding of Deflection most pilots preferred a fixed reticle.

Take Care,

Knock

Sources for Data:

Late Marque Spitfire aces 1942-45
Dr. Alfred Price
ISBN: 1-855532-575-6
(Great book, mentions the Spit IX through the XIV and beyond.  Has a section on Gyro sights in Spits as well as pilot opinions and flight tests of marks IX, XIV against FW109A, BF109G'and mention a little about the FW190 Dora. A must buy for the Spit buff or Closet admirer (like me, i dont fly them much though)).

Spitfire in Action
Squadron Signal No. 39
ISBN: 0-89747-092-3
(a little low on Performance data but a wealth of Art and a good, if not short, overview of the Spits in WW2 and Beyond)

[Sturm]

Ki-102 nuff said.  G-55 or 56
me-410 he-219 ta-154 Ju-188
mk Vi mossie mk vii spit
A-26 P-61
Il-10 PE-3 Tu-2

I am not a fan of the heavy bombers, medium for me.  I don't like the fact that one bomber can wipe out a base in 1 pass

[Major Tom]

Japanese: (they have been sorely overlooked)
Ki-61
Ki-84
Ki-43 (when you need to out turn that Chinese biplane, bad)
G4M (ingenious Japanese signal flare)

American:
A-20G-1 (x4 20mm's + twin .50's for the dorsal and one for the ventral)
A-20G-20 (the ultimate A-20, x6 .50's, a martin turret, .50 ventral gun and 4000lb max bomb load)
A-26B (x12 .50's firing forward need I say more)
B-25C/D
B-25H-5 (75mm cannon + strafer packs = fun for the whole family)
P-38D (37mm)

German:
Me.410 (should be a great attack bomber)
Bf.110G (I pity the buff)

British:
Mosquito (the woody)
Spitfire XVIXIVXabcgk... err whatever those British guys want, maybe if we give them enough spitfires, they'll shut up like the LW guys
Lancaster with a ball turret
How bout some A-20’s for them to

Soviet:
Il-2
Pe-2
A-20G-1 and B-25 ?