Minengeschoss

[brady]

 I like the MG151/15 talk for the 109F-4 i must look into this my self  

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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 03-20-2001).]

[Tony Williams]

 

Originally posted by avin:

 Do you see the shift to Mine shells on the Western Front as reflecting the focus on downing Allied bombers, or fighters as well?

avin

The mine shells were developed from 1937 (I have a copy of a factory drawing with that date on it) although not introduced until May 1940, in the Bf 109E-4.  So they were used in the BoB and weren't specifically designed to deal with heavy bombers.  I don't doubt, however, that the Luftwaffe found them particularly useful for that purpose.  As the RAF found in the BoB, filling bombers full of small holes often didn't achieve much.  The MK 108 was certainly the premier bomber-destroyer.

Tony Williams
Author: Rapid Fire - The Development of Automatic Cannon, Heavy Machine Guns and their Ammunition for Armies, Navies and Air Forces.
Details on my military gun and ammunition website: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~autogun/  

[Tony Williams]

Brady,  as a matter of interest what MG 17 loading is assumed in the 109F?  Some time in the early 1940s the v-Munition were introduced, high-pressure 7.92mm loadings with a 900+m/s muzzle velocity.  These would make a good ballistic match for the 15mm MG 151, reducing harmonisation problems.

As a matter of interest, I have seen the following armour penetration figures for the MG 151:

Standard AP: 37mm/100m, or (different source) 25mm/300m (both at 90 degrees)

Tungsten-cored Hartkern: 48mm/100m, 42mm/300m (again, 90 degrees).

N.B. There was a 15mm M-Geschoss as well  

Tony Williams
Author: Rapid Fire - The Development of Automatic Cannon, Heavy Machine Guns and their Ammunition for Armies, Navies and Air Forces.
Details on my military gun and ammunition website: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~autogun/  

[hazed-]

tony thanks for the info

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Hazed
3./JG2