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Re: Realistic Carriers
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2009, 07:22:12 PM »
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Re: Realistic Carriers
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 06:12:52 AM »
Simba

Not arguing, just checking. Nothing else hit the Ark Royal ordinance wise? Just 1 single torp?

There were a lot of destroyers cruising beaches, carriers normally stayed way off the beach.

FYI even in a dedicated Sub sim like Silent Hunter 4 you just don't sink ships with a single torp.
Even relatively small 5000 ton freighters and tankers.
Carriers are much much bigger, have large crews trained in fire suppression, etc.
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Re: Realistic Carriers
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2009, 07:33:54 AM »
Pulled from Wiki so I don't know how accurate it is.

Final voyage and sinking

On 10 November 1941, Ark Royal ferried more aircraft to Malta before returning to Gibraltar. Admiral Somerville had been warned of U-boats off the Spanish coast, and reminded Force H to be vigilant.[82] Also at sea was Friedrich Guggenberger's U-81, which had received a report that Force H was returning to Gibraltar.[81] On 13 November, at 15:40 hours, the sonar operator aboard the destroyer HMS Legion detected an unidentified sound, but assumed it was the propellers of a nearby destroyer. One minute later, Ark Royal was struck amidships by a torpedo,[83] between the fuel bunkers and bomb store, and directly below the bridge island.[84] The explosion caused Ark Royal to shake, hurled loaded torpedo-bombers into the air, and killed Able Seaman Mitchell.[84] A 130 feet (40 m) long by 30 feet (9.1 m) deep hole was created on the starboard side, which caused flooding of the starboard boiler room, main switchboard, oil tanks, and over 106 feet (32 m) of the ship's starboard bilge. The starboard power train was knocked out, causing the rear half of the ship to lose power, while communications were severed shipwide.
HMS Legion moving alongside the damaged and listing HMS Ark Royal to take off survivors

Immediately after the torpedo strike, Captain Maund attempted to order the engines to full stop, but had to send a runner to the engine room when it was discovered communications were down.[85] The hole in the hull was enlarged by the ship's motion, and by the time Ark Royal stopped she had taken on water and begun to list to starboard, reaching 18° from centre within 20 minutes.[85] Considering the lean of the carrier, as well as the fates of other carriers, including HMS Courageous and HMS Glorious, which had sunk rapidly with heavy loss of life, Maund gave the order to abandon ship. The crew were assembled on the flight deck to determine who would remain onboard to save the ship while HMS Legion came alongside to take off the rest; as a result, comprehensive damage control measures were not initiated until 49 minutes after the attack. The flooding spread unchecked, exacerbated by covers and hatches left open during evacuation of lower decks.[86]

Water spread to the centreline boiler room, which started to flood from below, and power was lost shipwide when the boiler uptakes became choked; Ark Royal had no backup diesel generators.[87] About half an hour after the explosion, the carrier appeared to stabilise. Admiral Somerville, determined to save Ark Royal, ordered damage control parties back to the carrier before taking the battleship HMS Malaya to Gibraltar to organise salvage efforts. The damage control parties were able to re-light a boiler, restoring power to the bilge pumps. The destroyer HMS Laforey came alongside to provide power and additional pumps, while Swordfish aircraft from Gibraltar arrived to supplement anti-submarine patrols.[88] The tug Thames arrived from Gibraltar at 20:00 hours and attached a tow line to Ark Royal, but flooding caused the angle of list to increase rapidly. Water had reached the boiler room flat, an uninterrupted compartment running the width of the ship, which forced the shutdown of the restored boiler.
Another photograph showing the degree of the list

The list reached 20° between 02:05 and 02:30 hours, and when 'abandon ship' was declared again at 04:00 hours, had reached 27°.[89] Ark Royal's complement had been evacuated to Legion by 04:30 hours; with the exception of Mitchell, there were no fatalities. The 1,487 officers and crew were transported to Gibraltar.[90] The list reached 45° before Ark Royal capsized and sank at 06:19 hours on 14 November.[91] Witnesses reported the carrier rolling to 90°, where she remained for three minutes before inverting. Ark Royal broke in two, the aft sinking within a couple of minutes, followed by the bow.[92]
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Re: Realistic Carriers
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2009, 12:29:58 PM »
"Simba

Not arguing, just checking. Nothing else hit the Ark Royal ordinance wise? Just 1 single torp?"

Allaire's reply tells it exactly as it happened, Ghost.

The Swordfish that were 'hurled into the air' (and all of which eventually went over the side when the ship capsized) were those of No.825 Naval Air Squadron, commanded by Lt.Cdr. Eugene 'Winkle' Esmonde DSO. He lived to fight and die on 12th February 1942, when he led the six Swordfish of reformed, under-strength 825 NAS from RAF Manston in a 'forlorn hope' attack on the Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Prinz Eugen as they made their 'Channel Dash'. Not one torpedo hit and all six aircraft were shot down making "the mothball attack of a handful of ancient planes, piloted by men whose bravery surpasses any other action by either side that day" (the quote is translated from the note for that day in the Kriegsmarine War Diary). Esmonde was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross, the four surviving officers each the DSO and the only surviving PO TAG the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal; the other twelve who died were Mentioned In Dispatches, the only honour other than the VC that could be awarded posthumously at that time.

Honour the brave. Now you know why I want to fly a Swordfish in AH, even if it doesn't stand a chance against the puffy ack and fighter CAP.  

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Re: Realistic Carriers
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 09:03:12 PM »
No argument from me on that score simba, I'd love to be able to fly all those historic early war birds.




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Re: Realistic Carriers
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2009, 05:39:35 PM »
Battle Stations: Pacific!!!  :D
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Re: Realistic Carriers
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2009, 10:36:36 PM »
Battle Stations: Pacific!!!  :D

Red, you gota be kidding me. Really :lol :lol :lol?
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